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To: vladimir998; CatherineofAragon
>>The reason why I think CB is being [I’m not allowed to say it here or else my post will be deleted] here is that she excludes Jews and focuses only on Muslims - and links them (alone) to Catholics.<<

We are not discussing Jews here, although they indeed serve the same God but deny that Jesus is the Messiah. Muslim’s may “claim” whatever they want. The god they describe and worship in no way is the God of scripture.

>>CB skips right over those cases, of course.<<

If we were discussing them I would condemn them as well. Protestants are after all the daughters of the Catholic Church having come out of her and retained many of her errors.

Now here is the exact 841.

# 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]

The “first place” are the Muslims. Not the Jews, nor other Christian denominations but the Muslims!!

594 posted on 07/15/2014 2:55:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; CatherineofAragon

“We are not discussing Jews here, ...”

And there you have it. I saw that coming. Can’t say it because that would be viewed as “mind reading” and my post would have been deleted.

“The “first place” are the Muslims. Not the Jews, nor other Christian denominations but the Muslims!!”

Ha! Jews are mentioned in the previous paragraphs of the CCC. As I posted 841 I thought to myself, “I bet one of the anti-Catholics will get upset that it mentions Muslims and not Jews because they’re too ignorant to know that the Jews are mentioned in 839-40.” And here we are.

Here it is:

The Church and non-Christians

839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 “the first to hear the Word of God.”327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.


603 posted on 07/15/2014 3:27:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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