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To: dartuser

If Revelation is already fulfilled, then there’s not a heckuva lot of hope in the future. Technology is becoming so invasive and overpowering that we will even beyond an Orwellian police state to more like a Borg collective on steroids. Not in control of ourselves, and even the environment will be altered to the point that the surrounding environment will essentially be pure poison to anyone not in the collective.

We will literally be unwilling slaves to pure evil. So everyone better really hope the preterists are dead wrong.


7 posted on 05/29/2014 4:00:03 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Free Vulcan
I had a dream not long ago and the Melachim said come up and see. And I saw the great throne room and it was full of smoke. And he said son of man the smoke comes up into the very face of G_D. The smoke is the cry of the innocents and there blood. The blessings are off this land and judgment is on this land now. You are a watchman from before your birth so tell the people. If you do there blood is not on your head. This all is a little much for a old Jewish man to understand.
9 posted on 05/29/2014 4:59:15 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Free Vulcan
>>>If Revelation is already fulfilled, then there’s not a heckuva lot of hope in the future. Technology is becoming so invasive and overpowering that we will even beyond an Orwellian police state to more like a Borg collective on steroids. Not in control of ourselves, and even the environment will be altered to the point that the surrounding environment will essentially be pure poison to anyone not in the collective. We will literally be unwilling slaves to pure evil. So everyone better really hope the preterists are dead wrong.<<<

I am reasonably certain preterists are wrong, as are futurists of all stripes. The only doctrine that makes any sense is postmillennialism. I'll explain:

All the things you mention are the work of Satan, and I believe he is currently loose and deceiving the nations. I believe he was loosed from his prison in the past century.

Up until the 20th century Christianity was growing and spreading. Christ and his saints had been reigning since the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Then, as if a light switch was flipped, everything switched directions and started gradually going against Christianity: the courts, the legislation, even the press, media and education system: everything! Since that "switch" Satan and his angels have been able to corrupt our morals, worldwide, and place everyone under the bondage of tyranny. They have even been going after the morals of our children and parental rights. The whole world has been turned upside down.

This is where I think we are now:

    "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city . . . " (Rev 20:7-9 KJV)

The "breadth" of the earth means the entire earth. The camp of the saints is in the holy temple, which is part of the holy and beloved city, New Jerusalem, which is the church:

    "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant . . . " (Heb 12:22-24 KJV)

    "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." (Eph 2:19-22 KJV)

Satan has been, and is, going after the church; and he has heavily infiltrated it. It is the same Satan that corrupted old Jerusalem to the point that Flavius Josephus, a first century Jewish priest and historian, spoke of his generation this way:

    "It is therefore impossible to go distinctly over every instance of these men's iniquity. I shall therefore speak my mind here at once briefly: - That neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries, nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was, from the beginning of the world." [The Wars Of The Jews, V:10:5]

Note he called his own generation of Jews the most wicked generation, ever. Christ implied the same:

    "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." (Mt 12:34 KJV)

    "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Mt 12:39-40 KJV)

    "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Mt 23:33 KJV)

Jesus went so far as to call the Jewish leadership the "children of the devil:"

    "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (Jn 8:44 KJV)

Therefore, it was Satan that had control of Jerusalem in the first century. Satan and his children are not that difficult to identify: he craves power, and his children crave power over other people: not the benevolent dictator type of power, but tyrannical power that leads to bondage and misery.

Most, if not all, postmillennialists, like myself, believe that Satan was bound upon the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. We also believe that the great city, Babylon the Great of the Revelation, was another name for first century Jerusalem: the great city that was made desolate by the Roman armies. With that in mind, this was the end of old Jerusalem, according to the Revelation:

    "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." (Rev 18:21-23 KJV)

Note that all nations were deceived by "Jerusalem?" When Jerusalem was destroyed, putting an end to the wickedest of generations, the devil was also bound since he had few children left to deceive the nations and to carry out his wickedness:

    "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." (Rev 20:1-3 KJV)

So, generally speaking, all nations were deceived by the sorceries of Satan and his children; that is, until the first century when most of his children were destroyed. Satan was marginalized for a long time until the opportunity arose for him to raise new children faster than they were being destroyed. I personally believe his ranks have been growing for about a century, while the Lord's ranks have been dwindling, and all because of Satan's ability to lie and deceive.

But, Satan's days are numbered. He will soon be destroyed, the river of water of life will flow again, and the nations will be healed:

    "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." (Rev 22:1-4 KJV)

At least, that is the way I see it.

Philip

43 posted on 05/30/2014 11:53:17 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Free Vulcan

You understand Free Vulcan, don’t let anyone take your crown from you,

The light of the body is in the eyes, people who cannot or will not perceive what you and I easily can don’t have that same light, also alluded to in Daniel Chapter 12,

Its nothing more than arrogance that blinds their understanding, they expect the Word (Jesus) can be divided by some ingenuity around their own intelligence and yet they still arrive at the end with no apparent spiritual discernment, ever learning but never able to obtain the knowledge they desperately need. It requires the Holy Spirit to fully understand, to show us those things which are to come,

Those ‘having a form of godliness, but deny the power’ that is, they have every appearance of understanding and worshiping the creator, but cannot acknowledge his spirit in all power, operating directly in front of them, for example prophecy as a direct witness, they see flesh instead of his influence or even that of seducing spirits at work all around them operating as principalities and powers,

We’re told how things will be at the end of the age:

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves,covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5

The book of Revelation was written in the spirit, from Gods point of view not ours and it requires his spirit to understand and then it will take you to every other book of the bible to see where these patterns repeat, showing us the things which were, which are, and finally what will be. Anywhere it does not repeat it’s immediately explained. However many will take just one pattern and presume it to be complete when its merely a shadow of what is still to come as a witness to a much larger audience,

Satan rules this world, it belongs to him because we gave it to him, today he stands in Heaven and accuses the brethren (the Church) as we are operating in the spirit within his physical authority over the Earth, he has authority over the flesh for now.

Jesus came “as it is written” but instead was rejected and everything in the flesh was taken from him, his inheritance, his vineyard, this world, it was all stolen from him even his very clothes were taken before he hung on the cross, but where Satan meant it for evil, God meant it for good,

Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father (until) the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when the Father reclaims this physical Earth with the Jubilee restoration of all things, then the court in Daniel Chapter 7 and Revelation Chapters 4 and 5 will render it to the one who has the greater claim to perform the Kinsman redeemer provisions. We can be assured that he will choose to do so and will summarily reclaim this physical Earth from the usurpers, it will be a day of vengeance on the Earth, the vengeance of his Temple (him) not of some stone building once on the Earth.

It’s interesting that many seem to think the following was written as an end-time comment from outsiders, read it carefully, these are believers doing the mocking:

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” 2 Peter 3:3-4

These are also the same ones without oil in their lamps when the bridegroom comes ‘at the midnight hour’ instead they’re rebuked by him and left standing outside “and the door was shut.”

Then Peter goes on to quote Psalm 90 explaining again that a thousand years is as one day, and I tell you that it has only been two days since the Church age began in the spirit,


51 posted on 05/31/2014 6:54:22 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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