It was intended as sarcasm. Don't over think it!
I was referring to the below, which I am repeating from post 149:
7. Post 87 - QUOTE: "Notice that once he is in ‘this place of torment’ (in which ‘flames’ are mentioned), the rich man still acts on the basis of free will. I.e.: an eternal perspective hasn’t made a Calvinist out of him; quite the contrary; he believes his brothers are capable of repentance if they so choose."
I am not sure what to make of this. You mentioned the "Entirely non-Biblical, but quite remarkable." idea of multiple judgments (which I did not suggest), yet you acknowledge this man is in "torment", yet his brothers can still repent. You could be asserting:
a) People are judged immediately at death, and cast into the "place of torment" forever, thus his brothers could still repent.
b)This is after a final judgment of all men, and the rich man does not understand his brothers are hopelessly condemned like himself
c)same as b, but the brothers could repent and escape the "place of torment".
d)something else?
FWIW, most scholars believe that Hades (the grave, Hell) is the temporary destination of the unsaved at death, and that they are conscious, and undergoing torment while waiting for the 2nd resurrection, where they will be judged, and cast into the Lake of Fire, along with death and Hades. Others assert that they are "asleep" in the grave, waiting the resurrection.
You are coming across as a bit obsessive here. You already wrote me a long couple of PMs on doctrine. I said I was too busy to get to them right away but I would address them as time permits. Then I asked you a non-doctrinal question.
You didn’t answer it. In fact, you acted as if it didn’t exist.
You unconvincingly claimed that what looks like a serious comment, with no indication of sarcasm, is sarcasm. Sorry; it still doesn’t come across that way. If you want to interject sarcasm into an otherwise serious discussion, you need to give some clue/hint as to what you’re doing. Otherwise, it doesn’t play.
You evidently have a lot, lot more time than I do. You also seem too focused on winning the doctrinal debate to see anything else. Here’s a tip for you. When you’re exchanging comments with a person who has far less time than you, it’s a good idea not to pile on so many unanswered posts that the other party just throws in the towel. Some people know this innately. Others need a heads up. (Put another way. If you snow a person under too large a pile of unanswered posts, they may just decide they’ll never have sufficient disposable time to properly catch up, & give the whole exchange the heave-ho.)
To reiterate. I punted on the doctrinal discussion temporarily, & broached a non-doctrinal issue. In what is becoming a bit too typical, you breezed past my actual question & went peddle to the metal back to the doctrinal issues.
& you see no communication problems whatsoever? To you, this is the ideal debate?
All I ask is this. Show me where the Scripture speaks of multiple judgmentS. I.e.: judgmentS with a ‘s’ - plural. I can show you Scripture after Scripture that speaks of ‘judgment’, singular, or The Day of Judgment, singular. I can guarantee there is no Biblical passage speaking of judgment in the plural.
“Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,” Hebrews 9:27
So you have God, speaking through His inspired Word, telling us there is one judgment, singular. & somehow from that you derive multiple judgments???
Do you also believe in multiple Kingdoms of God? The Scripture uses many different images to depict the Kingdom of God. If every different image alludes to a different kingdom, there are almost too many to count.
Meaning, yes, of course the Scriptures depict Judgment via different images. But never, ever, does Scripture speak of multiple judgments, any more than it speaks of multiple Kingdoms of God. The imagery changes, but the fact remains. There is only one judgment mentioned in the Bible. It is never spoken of in the plural. [And we know that if there are plural events, the Bible speaks of them in those terms. Witness ‘the second death’. If there were a ‘second judgment’, we’d have heard about that too.]
I hope you don’t just breeze past all that I just referenced. It has scared me more than once, when I presented you with God’s words—given to us for edification by the Holy Spirit—& you just blew it all away. Somehow or other, you claim the words don’t mean what they say. It’s amazing. Well, no; scary was the right word to begin with.
Here are some inspired words for you. I hope & pray you don’t blow these away also:
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:9-11
You’re flat wrong on annihilation. It doesn’t happen.