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To: jimmyray

‘”QUOTE: What do you think God is telling us/you via the following vss:”

That in spite of God setting up mankind all conditions that would enable them to seek him, Romans 3:11 confirms that “...there is no one who seeks God”.’

You have totally & completely misunderstood the meaning of the Acts 17 passage. I will quote it again for you. This time, please comment on the passage itself. I.e.: don’t read the Acts passage & see only the Romans passage. Read & interpret the Acts passage itself this time. [Once you’re clear on Acts, then it can be harmonized with Romans. But if you never comprehend the meaning of the Acts passage to begin with, you will never successfully reconcile it with any other Scriptural passage.]

“26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and [t]exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’”

While we’re at it, here’s another passage for you. Proverbs 8:17:

“I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.”

What does this passage say, Jimmyray? (Hint: it doesn’t say: “I love only the Elect; And nobody diligently seeks Me or finds Me.’)

Now, getting back to Acts 17 again. There is a second passage in it that I would particularly like to hear your thoughts about. If all you can do is respond, ‘Romans!’ then you will certainly miss the point. But if you can read this passage independently & comment on it, your thoughts would be very interesting:

30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”


141 posted on 06/02/2014 7:15:42 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
QUOTE: "While we’re at it, here’s another passage for you. Proverbs 8:17: “I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.”

I think the key word here is "diligently". We disagree on whether anyone does so without God's prompting. I have quoted multiple verses above that indicate "...no one cometh unto me (Jesus) unless the Father first draw him". Thus, I am convinced that no on seeks God diligently.

As far as your intentions regarding limited punishment, I told you I did not contest that point. However, the destiny of all unbelievers is "everlasting punishment" in the Lake of Fire, or eternal fire, if you want to allegorize away Revelation 20.

Regarding your challenge for me to summarize your intentions, why prevaricate about the bush. What's your point?

143 posted on 06/02/2014 7:40:03 PM PDT by jimmyray
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