Posted on 05/28/2014 5:50:04 AM PDT by WVKayaker
Can Roman Catholics be saved? Yes they can but not if they adhere to Roman Catholic theology. Like anyone else, salvation is found only through faith in Christ alone. ...
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In all the years I was a Baptist and Pentacostal we never once recited the Nicene Creed at church services. Only thing church was was a preacher prancing back and forth, beating his fist on a Bible telling us we were all going to hell if we didn’t change out ways.
Funny, i had the same conversion, in Reverse.
Was Catholic now Reformed Baptist.
Rome believes in “faith” and Works salvation.
Catholics must appropriate “grace” via the Mass, etc.. that enables them to perform the works necessary for salvation where the soul is righteous enough to please God and worthy of Heaven.
I have complete assurance of my salvation, Friend, unlike those following the Romans Catholic cult of personality...
2 Timothy 1: 12 ...because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.Titus 1: ... 10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group*. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
*Those are people who insist on following the dictates of any cult which proclaims to hold the sole path to God... no matter how long out it has been able to deceive so many!
A bit before Rome, broke away from the other One True Church (Orthodox)
Maybe Protestants should worry about their own Protestant churches that are no longer following the "Bible" in their teachings and let God decide who is saved. Maybe we should just point out in scripture why we think something is wrong and walk away. Teach instead of let blind arrogance turn someone away from even listening to the word of God, that might actually have someone hear what God is saying.
Calling Catholics unsaved is just arrogant and off-putting if your real goal is to reaching people for God. If your goal is causing two sides to hate each other.....CONGRATULATIONS your goal is accomplished.
the Romans Catholic cult of personalityIt might make you feel better about yourself to to insult others (not very Christian mind you), but Roman Catholics worship God.
You’re right. I’m a guilty Roman Catholic whose faith is based on a cult of personality - Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I’m hopelessly in love with and dedicated to Him.
Seriously? Cult of Personality? What personality would that be? The RO=oman Pontiff is merely out Shepard who helps gude the Church. He’s not God.
Not to cast aspersions on my protestant bretheren, but don’t throw stones if you live in glass houses.
Here’s one of those Protestant bashing threads that my fellow Protestants tell me exist yet never ping me to upon my request . . .oh wait it’s the Catholic bashers AGAIN. These people or so full of hatred I wander how they make it through their days.
What you are both doing is done in hatred and has done nothing for God and his glory. Maybe both you and WVKayaker need to step back and ask yourselves who your are really serving. If your goal is to teach the truth of God you both have failed miserably but you are causing hatred....Congratulations....
Is that really God's goal or yours.
I just don’t understand their problem with Good Works, veneration of the saints and the Blessed Mother, etc.
Let’s see... If I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and read the bible, but beat my wife and drink to excess: that’s okay.
However, if I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, pray the Rosary, read the epistles and gospel and chant psalms and commemorate Christ’s Last Supper, Passion and Death at Mass, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the unborn, and, when I stray, go to confession and do penance I lose my soul?
Boy, I deserve to go to Hell!
Let the flames begin! Carry On!
This is not a one-sided street. WVKayaker in his title set out for a fight and of course he got his desired result.
I am a Protestant and find both sides contemptible, none of this is done in love or a desire to follow God. Both sides have lost sight of God as their goal and choose arrogance and anger....both sides are disgusting.
“he called all not in his Catholic institution heretics”
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments. The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856) Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
It is not a one-sided street and if you think it is you are blind. I was just on a thread the other day by a Catholic so stuck on an institution instead of God all Protestants were labeled heretics. Both sides are contemptible because both sides are doing this in arrogance, hatred and blindness.
Neither side is putting God first or even the word of God first. None of this is done in the Spirit of Christ and you all know it.
With no dog in these distasteful fights (neither Protestant nor Catholic nor Mormon - Buddhist for a quarter century), it does seem strange to me that the FR mods allow such unabashed rancor to continue on a news site, yet often ban legitimate threads about news.
Is there some way to delete the “religion” forum from my account? I can’t see how to turn it off, and it really is quite a turn-off.
All the way since April 2?
The many threads I shared prior with WVKayaker involved legalization of drugs.
Roman Catholics believe in Christ’s sanctifying shedding of blood on the cross. They do NOT demand that works are a part of salvation. Yes, they have had periods in their past where it appeared they did, and in some countries, works are tied to faith. However, if you read the materials closely, you’ll see that they believe like you. Maybe an over-emphasis at times in works, still, but if you look closely today, you’d be hard-pressed to find many churches still adhering to works as proof. However, you cannot totally separate works from faith, as James says. Show me the works and I shall see their faith, is the gist of James’ message. You cannot separate them in one who has been claiming to be a child of God. After a while, there must be some works that establish the fact that faith has taken place.
The Roman Catholic Church is a sister church. Right now, it is the only church in which I see ANY kind of revival and spiritual awakening. While there are many that I would NOT attend because they preach a social Gospel, that is true of every other denomination, as well. The whole of Christendom is infiltrated by a social gospel that is watering down the True Gospel. We cannot continue this denunciation of a sister church. Remember the message about removing the “log” from one’s own eye? That needs to be remembered. I know many Catholics who I would not consider truly saved, but I know JUST AS MANY who ARE. Maybe more. I would say the same of every other church group I have attended, as well. I do not hear people saying that about the Lutheran church, Methodist, Baptist, or the other denominations, but name one that is not compromised today in some way. There is ONE TRUE CHURCH, made up from members of all the churches that exist.
True faith is defined in a church’s doctrine by what they believe about Jesus Christ. The Roman Catholic Church passes that test. Mormonism does not. I see little condemnation of other churches in this site and yet we post things DAILY from Joel Osteen, who does not seem to know what true faith is. He tries to make every person feel great about whatever they believe. He hedges about what true faith actually is, when challenged. Scripture is explicit about that kind of talk. Let’s be honest and admit that the pre-trib rapture theory that we were raised on has called the RCC the “great harlot” and we have bought into that message, hook line and sinker. It continues to be taught in churches as fact. The Harlot is not the RCC, however, any church that does not teach the whole Truth, and changes the message of the Gospel in ANY way, is associated with the “harlot” in that it is a deceptive message. EVERY denomination has its churches that fall into that category. Don’t single ONE denomination out for rebuke. If you really want to know where the RCC is today, go online and become a subscriber to First Things, Touchstone Magazine and SALVO. These are scholarly magazines that are published by mostly RCC writers, although Touchstone is a compilation of RCC, Anglican, Orthodox, and So. Baptist scholars. They are for those who like scholarly stuff, but one should be able to read them and understand them without difficulty. There are NO OTHER magazines that I know of that compare. And, please remember that it is the RCC that is the leader of the Pro-Life movement. We need to quit giving ANY pastor or so-called Christian writings any relevance who continue to demonize a sister church as demonic. Instead, we need to examine our own hearts and ask ourselves why it is so important to do such a thing. EVery church I have attended I’ve met so-called members whom I would NOT consider true believers. Let’s pray, instead, that the True Church be lifted up...believers in EVERY SINGLE CHURCH...and that Christ be honored in our midst. Remember that the one sin that cannot be forgiven is to attribute to Satan the power that is that of the HS, and vice versa. To say that God cannot hold people in the RCC to salvation and that the HS has failed is wrong. Throughout history, the TRUE CHURCH has always been a remnant. There are MANY who profess faith but are not believers...in every denomination.
This is offensive to me and many others, this preaching that the RCC is not of God. We’d better repent of our judgment of others and ask God to reveal His True followers to us, to give us a heart for the lost, and to pray for one another, regardless of our denomination. BTW, I am NOT a RC, but once I stopped believing the pre-trib rapture theory, my eyes were opened and I could not condemn a sister church any longer. I pray that whoever is continuing to put out this message will have a similar experience, where God, Himself, opens your eyes and fills your heart with love, instead of hatred.
Here is a follow on question. I was baptized a Lutheran when I was six. It was the first time I had entered a church. The next time I entered a church I was 22, with my wife to be. I went a couple times a year with her. I was received into the Catholic church when I was 44 (14 years ago). I immediately got to work and currently put in about 20 hours a week volunteering in the community and at parishes in the area.
Here is the question: Was I better off as a Protestant?
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