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To: Viennacon

.......“In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire”......

This does no doubt indicates great suffering....however I find it interesting the description of a physical body...”sight” is clearly evident, the ability to “identify people known” and distance from them, the idea he looked “Up”...and he has a “voice” where he calls out to Abraham.
Additionally “asking for pity” would indicate he finds no relief from his suffering.

Also...It appears to me “he has memory” of what life once was and that he is no longer in that place....a keen awareness of surroundings via his senses as well.

So in my opinion possible “the body” in life may very well be the one also in hell..”without dying” as is now.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 11:25:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

While not a parable, it is elements like that which make me question the story’s literal intent. The idea he looked “up” is especially unusual.

Check out this verse.

In John 6:40 Christ declares that the resurrection will happen on the last day: “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

So, here we are talking about the Resurrection Bodies we receive, which will be as our natural bodies are but spiritual, imperishable, and awash in glory. However Jesus is said to raise those who ‘Behold the Son and believe in Him”. The fact that He excludes those who do not indicates to me they will not receive such bodies and remain disembodied entities, much like the demonic entities that are also condemned.


43 posted on 05/21/2014 11:45:09 AM PDT by Viennacon
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