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26 women in affairs with priests plead to Pope Francis to end Catholic Church's celibacy vow
NY Daily News ^
| May 18, 2014
| David Harding
Posted on 05/19/2014 5:58:54 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: massmike
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posted on
05/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT
by
blueplum
To: dsc
Sorry that God’s word causes you to react that way.
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posted on
05/19/2014 6:51:43 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
To: Gamecock; metmom
23
posted on
05/19/2014 6:53:44 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
To: dsc
My pastor, who is the most amazing priest I have ever met, often tells the congregation that a priest is not just a job, but a vocation and a life that requires all of his time. He would not be able to tend to his parish and all of the needs of being pastor if he had a wife and family. He exudes love and devotion, and I am thankful to God that I met him.
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posted on
05/19/2014 6:56:02 PM PDT
by
NoKoolAidforMe
(I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
To: Gamecock
Thats a pretty weak basis. Sounds to me that he is saying, if the man is married, he must be faithful to his wife and raise his children properly. It doesn't exclude the unmarried, but acknowledges the fact that in those days it would be unusual to find an older man who is not married. And consider 1 Corinthians 7 1-9
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman. 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Clearly, celibacy is preferred for those who can bear it.
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posted on
05/19/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT
by
Wyrd bið ful aræd
(Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
To: Alex Murphy
You seem to consider this a triumphantly shocking revelation, but the truth is, most people hold menial jobs when they are young. I hope that doesn't surprise you.
I'm no fan of pope Francis, but I am simply unmoved to find that he (gasp) once worked as a low-level security guard.
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posted on
05/19/2014 6:59:58 PM PDT
by
Wyrd bið ful aræd
(Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Alex Murphy; metmom
**Sounds to me that he is saying**
Excuse me, but are you interpreting Scripture? Isn’t that against the rules of Rome?
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:06:59 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
To: Gamecock
Great movie! - The Crime of Father Amaro (El Crimen Del Padre Amaro) - Must see film!
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:09:34 PM PDT
by
MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
(Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
To: Gamecock
Lacking a real response, that you zero in on that?
And anyway, I thought (judging by exchanges with Frotestants) that one of the many complaints by Protestants against the Church was that it interprets scripture, rather than taking it at ucontextualized, unexamined face value.
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:12:30 PM PDT
by
Wyrd bið ful aræd
(Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
And why, pray tell, is it a must see film?
30
posted on
05/19/2014 7:13:39 PM PDT
by
Wyrd bið ful aræd
(Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
To: vladimir998
Also, Jesus and Paul were celibate. Was anyone more devout than they were? And Peter, the guy you claim as your first pope, was married.
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:16:49 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
To: dsc
And yet a single person has all the responsibilities to bear themselves. They have to do everything involved with running a household on their own.
With two people, they can share that burden.
In the end, I don’t see that a single person actually has more free time than a married person. They just have to manage their time better because they have to consider someone besides themselves in their plans.
It forces a more selfless existence.
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:25:44 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
To: Gamecock
“The first Pope was married.”
Did I say he wasn’t?
To: metmom
“And Peter, the guy you claim as your first pope, was married.”
Did I ever say he wasn’t? How does Peter’s marriage mean Jesus was not celibate?
To: Gamecock
So, if the Catholic Church should take the advice of 26 women -- all of whom admit to sinning gravely by fornicating with priests -- and change her policies, all I need is to find 26 women in adulterous affairs with PCA pastors to make the case that the PCA should drop its outmoded insistence on monogamy, right?
Shouldn't be hard. And, remember, Luther couldn't find anything in Scripture prohibiting polygamy. It's practically a Protestant tradition!
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posted on
05/19/2014 7:58:57 PM PDT
by
Campion
To: Gamecock
Exactly. It’s clear from that passage that an elder was permitted to have a wife.
To: Gamecock
Seems to me these women are predatorial psychos who want the attention and reparations.
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posted on
05/19/2014 8:26:29 PM PDT
by
lavaroise
(A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
To: TexasFreeper2009
yes..artifice of the church...stupid!
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posted on
05/19/2014 8:28:53 PM PDT
by
fabian
(" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Zero in?
You threw it out there!
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posted on
05/19/2014 8:30:12 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
To: Campion
Scripture says elders can marry.
Scripture forbids adultery.
Let’s keep our categories straight here.
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posted on
05/19/2014 8:31:45 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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