Posted on 05/02/2014 12:28:06 AM PDT by GonzoII
I’m glad you mentioned that.
After his resurrection he said:
Jhn 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
He plainly states that he did not go to paradise.
Seriously! But, be careful: there may be some old parchment somewhere that can be twisted to say that Peter actually DID say that....</sarcasm>
It’s amazing the semantic gymnastics that occur to try to make something that never is mentioned in Scripture support the Magicsterium’s dictat.
Hoss
God’s inerrant, inspired word is good enough for me too. Too bad it’s not enough for the RCC..
Hoss
I believe that the *only* thing that can wash away my sin is the blood of JESUS! Why do I believe this? Because the bible says so, and it doesn’t require interpretation, debate, translation or verbal wrestling to understand.
Why look for inferences and implied meanings to believe one thing, when the truth is plain, simple and clear?
Then I need to remind myself that segregation by denomination is a man-made concept....
“Purgatory.
New Testament
There are several passages in the New Testament that point to a process of purification after death. Thus, Jesus Christ declares (Matthew 12:32): “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.” According to St. Isidore of Seville (Deord. creatur., c. xiv, n. 6) these words prove that in the next life “some sins will be forgiven and purged away by a certain purifying fire.” St. Augustine also argues “that some sinners are not forgiven either in this world or in the next would not be truly said unless there were other [sinners] who, though not forgiven in this world, are forgiven in the world to come” (City of God XXI.24). The same interpretation is given by Gregory the Great (Dial., IV, xxxix); St. Bede (commentary on this text); St. Bernard (Sermo lxvi in Cantic., n. 11) and other eminent theological writers.
A further argument is supplied by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15:
“For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man’s work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.”
It is precise about the Trinity. Twice all three were in one place at one time, especially Jesus’ baptism. The word “trinity” just is not used.
You and these “saints” are reading something into the text that isn’t there while ignoring the very plain reading of other texts. Ignore what Rome says and pay close attention to the clear words of Scripture.
I promise you entering heaven isn’t about the perfection or sanctification of the sinner, it’s all about the perfection of the sinner’s substitute, Christ Jesus. “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)
Sinners in Christ are made righteous, not partially righteous, but righteous!
In reference to Christ Jesus, Titus 2:14 says, “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
He redeemed us from ALL iniquity. Why would a sinner in Christ need purgatory when He redeemed us from ALL iniquity?
“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption”
—1 Corinthians 1:30
Christ Jesus is our righteousness! Christ Jesus is our SANCTIFICATION! It’s all about HIM!
Hebrews 10:10 says, “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
We are sanctified through Him! And it was done once and it was perfect.
In Galatians 3:3 Paul asks, “Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”
What good can your sinful flesh really do?
Hebrews 10:14 says, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”
How are we going to be more sanctified than perfect forever? What need be added to perfect?
Colossians 2:9-10 tells us, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
True born again believers are COMPLETE in HIM.
Twice all three were in one place at one time, especially Jesus’ baptism.
Where was the other time?
Protestant interpretation of purgatory.
“Me and Jesus got us a good thing going, I don’t need no stinkin’ pergatory or stinkin’ church to tell me what’s all about”. I done been washed in da blood of da lamb! Praise da lawd and pass the biscuits.
What a despicable comment!
We’ll begin by making clear just what we mean by “Purgatory.” The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:
After having said that I believe we could write a book about what many Churches teach that is not in the Bible, and that is what separates religion from just pure belief in God.
We have a right to believe it the way we see it but is it right to teach something that may or may not even be there?
Like the rapture, one little sentence where the word rapture is not even there.
On the other hand you can read verse after verse explaining how you have to die to be changed.
Matthew 23
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Father and pope has the same meaning, don`t call any one on earth pope but the Catholics call peter pope and not only that but they have had many popes and they also call many fathers.
But what happens when a scripture is plain and to the point? it is ignored.
First Things - Purgatory for Everyone
What the Church means by Purgatory
Radio Replies Second Volume - Purgatory
Purgatory Exists. And It Burns
The Month of November: Thoughts on the "Last Things"
To Trace All Souls Day (Protestants vs Catholics)
Radio Replies First Volume - Purgatory
The Doctrine of Purgatory [Ecumenical]
The Heroic Act [Catholic-Orthodox Caucus] (Offering everything for the Souls in Purgatory)
MONTLIGEON MIRACLE: HOW PRIEST TURNED INTO 'TRAVELING SALESMAN' OF PURGATORY
IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING
Praying for the Dead [All Souls Day] (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Purgatory: Service Shop for Heaven [Ecumernical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]
OF GUARDIAN ANGELS AND THE ROLE THEY PLAY NOT JUST ON EARTH BUT IN PURGATORY [Catholic Caucus]
IN ANNALS OF SAINTS IS CONVERT'S STRIKING DEDICATION TO THOSE SOULS IN PURGATORY [Catholic Caucus]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
PURIFYING THE SOUL ON EARTH IS WORTH 100X WHAT IT TAKES AFTER [Catholic Caucus] What Happens After Death?
Purgatory
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 12: Purgatory
The Doctrine of Purgatory
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.
(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory
Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?
Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?
Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)
Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory
The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory
Praying for the dead [Purgatory]
And he got that through his Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. He asked Christ for forgiveness and Christ forgave him.
Perhaps not in your Bible since you do not have the entire Bible.
**It is also now EMPTY!**
Just what facts to you have to back this up?
Wrong premise from the get go.
The blood of Christ cleanses us from ALL sin.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
That's what forgiveness is all about.
Romans 8:1-4 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Purgatory CANNOT cleanse us from sin because ONLY the blood of Jesus is capable of that.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
There's not one verse of Scripture that says that forgiveness or cleansing come any other way.
Only someone totally unfamiliar with Scripture could think that the Bible is unclear about the Trinity.
Which is why salvation is by grace through faith in Christ SO THAT NO MAN CAN BOAST.
If our works can contribute to our salvation, then it's all about us, how much WE do, how good WE do it, because without OUR input and efforts, the blood of Christ isn't good enough.
That takes the focus off the finished work of Christ on the cross and puts it on us for whatever part we have to play in or salvation. The it's not for the glory of God alone.
That's not Scripture and it does not even come close to saying that/ It's proof of nothing but how deceived someone can become.
St. Augustine also argues “that some sinners are not forgiven either in this world or in the next would not be truly said unless there were other [sinners] who, though not forgiven in this world, are forgiven in the world to come” (City of God XXI.24). The same interpretation is given by Gregory the Great (Dial., IV, xxxix); St. Bede (commentary on this text); St. Bernard (Sermo lxvi in Cantic., n. 11) and other eminent theological writers.
Also not Scripture. Simply opinion pieces by ECFs.
A further argument is supplied by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15: “For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man’s work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.”
That verse does not speak of the purification of a person from sin. What is being tried by the fire is the persons WORKS. If all their works are burned up, then the person is STILL SAVED. Which I know is contrary to Catholic belief.
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