Note: this topic was posted 4/14/2014. Thanks SeekAndFind.
Posted on 04/14/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The Holy Spirit and Paul identified David as the source of Psalm 69 in Romans 11.
He however at that time may not have known he was or would be sinless...Jesus was certainly bothered by the intimidation from his siblings...Perhaps he had thoughts that he figured might be sinful... And for what reason would you deny vs. 8 belongs to Jesus???
Yes, I attribute the entire Psalm to David, except for the dual fulfillment by Jesus as described in NT scriptures. I believed Jesus was God in the flesh, filled with the Spirit of God always, and never would have thought he sinned. He was never separated from God the Father until his death. Do you believe Jesus was confused about his nature, and if so until what age ? And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
"and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children." Matthew 27:56
You should read the Bible sometimes. Scripture is really not clear if Mary or Salome (or both) was the wife of Zebedee. The construction of this passage could go either way.
Christ fulfilled the prophesies of the Old Testament. It is relevant. But we are talking (well, at least I am) abouts the facts the New Testament documents - what actually happened. You should take a course in logic and reason. It would help having a rational discussion, instead of you just making up stuff. Obfuscation, changing the topic and REFUSING TO ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS!!
how would they have known???
That is because the Bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Greek and Hebrew both of which have names which translate to the English name, Mary.
Kin can mean brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, countrymen...And he does not place those kin in his own house...
Jesus is speaking of the house of David and not his earthly home.
I don't see where Alphaeus and Cleophas are the same person...I don't see any mention of the sons of Cleophas...
There are scholars who believe that they are the same man, I didn't invent that out of thin air. Also, Cleophas' wife is named as such and with her, their children.
.Those children's names match some of the names of the children attributed to Mary the mother of Jesus...One inclues a female name...
This is an example of wanting to see in Scripture what is not there. I have already shown where the children that you claim are attributed to Mary are the children of Mary of Clopas. There is no where that the Mother of Jesus is called or identified with other children.
There are at least six Marys in the NT, that is why after the annunciation and nativity narratives, Mary is always linked to Jesus as a means of distinguishing her.
If Mary was the wife of Zebedee, then James and Joses were not Zebedee's children...There's only one way that can be read...Mary is one person and the mother of Zebedee's children is another...
I'll leave the philosophy classes to you Catholics...Jesus warned against those but then when did it matter to Catholics what Jesus said...
That was a response of the flesh, not of the Spirit.
Catholics cared so much about what Jesus said that they not preserved the Scriptures, along with the Jews. They publicly read and confess what Jesus said in their services. Protesting Catholics does not make one a Christian.
Now everything you say makes sense - you believe using logic and reason is a sin.
Not a sin per se'...But it is useless when trying to understand the things of God...Or most things for that matter...
It's like having a book telling you every thing you need to know about a topic...So instead of reading the instructions, you close the book and engage your little brain...
Logic and reason are for people who don't 'know' something...It's nothing more than a guess and of course every one thinks their guess is better than the other guy's...And then brag about their brilliance...
If you've got the book, can your simple logic and learn some facts...
Right. Like when Christ repeatedly says, "This is my Body" you close your mind to the clear instructions in the book, because you "know" something that is not written. So you close the book, engage your little brain, change the word in the instructions from "is" to "represents", and obfuscate. Everything makes sense now that we know you think logic and reason is sinful.
It is a lot easier when you can simply make up anything you want to believe, "know" it with certainty, and don't have to use logic or reason to defend it.
Note: this topic was posted 4/14/2014. Thanks SeekAndFind.
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