Posted on 04/12/2014 10:37:31 AM PDT by marshmallow
“So, you have decided their view of Catholicism is ineffective and they are lost, but you are simply “observant”?”
Do you think their “view of Catholicism is” effective? Where did I say they were lost? What is more than observant?
“What do you make of your own?”
How would that matter in regard to this story?
I doubt if we will get to hear this particular talk on the Relevantradio.com website, but here is a link to what sounds like a similar talk by Father Hoffman. I listened to it today myself. Sounds like this is part of the ongoing effort by the homosexual lobby to denigrate any and all efforts to use the REGNERUS study. Hoffman cites this study in his talk. It’s interesting that they are throwing this study up as being anti-single mother, anti-adoption, anti-divorced parents. It seems that all the weeping and gnashing of the teeth that goes on with their attempts to achieve homosexual rights isn’t working with a lot of churches. The homosexual lobby is now trying additional attacks on some of the exposed flanks.
http://www.relevantradio.com/programs/go-ask-your-father
I wonder what he said?
Their sacramental effectiveness, you noted, was clearly missing on six of the seven. By deeming their efforts ineffective, you thus pronounce two things:
1. you are one holding the ability to judge effectiveness within the Catholic paradigm.
2. and, missing by six means the person is lost.
You were not merely observing, you were judging. Don't be bashful...step up and pound the chest.
"How would that matter in regard to this story?"
I was curious what the judge thought of their own effectiveness.
How can one firm a judgment, or even an intelligent opinion, based on zero information?
They call this journalism?
“Their sacramental effectiveness, you noted, was clearly missing on six of the seven.”
What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. There is no such thing as “Their sacramental effectiveness”. I would never use such a phrase because the phrase is a logical impossibility.
“By deeming their efforts ineffective, you thus pronounce two things:”
Where did I EVER say ANYTHING about “their efforts ineffective”? You are completely making things up out of thin air now. I never said anything about “their efforts”.
“1. you are one holding the ability to judge effectiveness within the Catholic paradigm.”
Since you can’t even get what I said correct, your conclusion by necessity is most likely false. And, what effectiveness are you even talking about? You comments make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
“2. and, missing by six means the person is lost.”
Missing? “missing by six means the person is lost”? According to whom? Seriously, your comments are bizarre and clearly have nothing to do with anything I actually said.
“You were not merely observing, you were judging.”
Nope. But you are clearly judging what I said and yet you’re clearly doing it without even getting the facts of what I said correct.
“Don’t be bashful...step up and pound the chest.”
What on earth are you talking about? Your comments grow increasingly bizarre and incoherent.
“I was curious what the judge thought of their own effectiveness.”
What effectiveness? Your posts make no sense.
"They don’t do seven and clearly only one of the ones they have received has ever done any good."
Well, my FRiend, if you cannot read and understand the sense of your own post, it explains much about the problem with Catholicism.
Father Z’s blog has an excellent take on this.
Parents send their kids to Catholic high school, and then both are shocked to discover Catholic doctrine being taught.
I’ll say it as often as stories like these come up: I’m an alum of a Protestant private school. If you send your kids to a religious school and then you and they get mad at being exposed to religious doctrine, even the controversial stuff (especially the controversial stuff), you’re overpaying for public school. And I’ll add that if you’re a religious school administrator, and your first instinct in cases like these is to apologize, you’re overcharging for public school.
And no, no, no. Now that Francis is pope, the Jesuits are back as the order conspiracy buffs have to worry about. Opus Dei can relax now.
And I particularly love this part. No, nobody knew this was being done for broadcast. Yeah, right. If they didn’t know beforehand, they would certainly have known when they saw the mikes and control board set up.
As in Notre Dame, University of?
You're right, they are.
But in-your-face sermons are not an effective tactic to fight that. This was just dumb.
“Well, my FRiend, if you cannot read and understand the sense of your own post, it explains much about the problem with Catholicism.”
I asked you a simple and direct question: “Where did I EVER say ANYTHING about “their efforts ineffective”? You are completely making things up out of thin air now. I never said anything about “their efforts”.”
And, in response, you posted something I posted earlier that says EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT “their efforts ineffective”. I never said what you claimed I said. Why do you insist on making things up out of thin air?
I realize anti-Catholic bigotry makes people stupid, so let me be as clear as possible:
1) I never said anything even remotely about “their efforts”.
2) Sacraments are not “their efforts”. Sacraments come from Christ.
Just to be perfectly clear, your feet do not move when you receive any of the sacraments? You simply tele-port yourself up to take the wafer & wine. Just as Jesus is transubstantiated, you are tele-substantiated up to the altar and you absolutely do not do anything...not even swallow. Well, that is a picture.
And, you may wish to reread your remarks because you “clearly” said something about the effectiveness of their teletransportation non-effort.
“Just to be perfectly clear, your feet do not move when you receive any of the sacraments?”
Just to be perfectly clear, your comment has nothing to do with anything I said.
“You simply tele-port yourself up to take the wafer & wine.”
I’ve never received a wafer and wine. I have received Christ’s Body and Blood. Jesus does all the heavy lifting.
“Just as Jesus is transubstantiated, you are tele-substantiated up to the altar and you absolutely do not do anything...not even swallow. Well, that is a picture.”
If I receive them, I obviously got to the parish. There is no “Their efforts effective” in any of that on my part. God does all the work.
“And, you may wish to reread your remarks because you “clearly” said something about the effectiveness of their teletransportation non-effort.”
Nope. I said no such thing. You’re completely making up words, phrases and ideas I have never expressed. I would expect nothing less from you.
hikingmani posted at 8:47 pm on Fri, Apr 11, 2014. hikingmaniPosts: 1 So I go to Prout and was at the assembly. First off, we knew that this was a radio broadcast (IDK what this article is talking about), that was made perfectly clear to us, in fact, we were supposed to ask questions to Fr. Hoffman. Students whose questions were chosen, would get to ask them on the radio station. Questions were asked about gay marriage, abortion, and other theological issues. Fr. Rocky answered them all the way you'd expect him to.
Who to believe? a journalist quoting a disgruntled parent of a disgruntled student; or a gruntled student? Need more evidence.
Wow - reminded me of an old story about alcoholics who only wanted clean, decent, and habitually sober alcoholics to attend their meetings - then the wiser among them asked what the Father would think about that....
yeah, you are right
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