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April 3, AD 33
First Things ^ | April 3, 2014 | by Andreas J. Köstenberger and Justin Taylor

Posted on 04/03/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by Rashputin

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Protestants are like liberals, they will NEVER allow the facts to get in the way of their own opinions.


121 posted on 04/09/2014 3:12:49 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga; one Lord one faith one baptism
>>>Protestants are like liberals, they will NEVER allow the facts to get in the way of their own opinions.<<<

I posted the following a while back, but this seems to be a good time for a revisit.

Has any Christian on this board ever suspected that the Catholic "church" might have been created by a Christ-hater with the sole purpose of mocking Jesus and his apostles? This is not an accusation: I am merely inquiring of the possibility. Anyway, I am making a list of what might have been in the minds of the Catholic "church" founders when they invented their doctrine. See if you think this could be a likely scenario:

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1. Christ said:

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Mat 23:9)

The Catholic "Church" founders, after reading this verse, laughed, and said,

"Let's call all our priests "Father," and the head honcho, "Holy Father".

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2. Christ said:

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. . . But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi [Master], Rabbi [Master]. But be not ye called Rabbi [Master]: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." (Matthew 23:2, 4-8)

And the Catholic founders laughed, and said,

"Lets give all our priests unique uniforms that are easily recognizable in the marketplace. Since they are always called "Father," that title, along with their dressy uniforms, will command respect, generate greetings, and provide them with better seats at feasts (and help generate more revenue.) The head honcho, our "Holy Father" (laughter,) will be clothed in all the splendour of the early Levitical High Priest, and then some."

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3. Christ said:

"Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Mark 10:42-45)

And the Catholic founders laughed, and said,

"Let us give our head honcho, our "Holy Father" (laughter,) all the power of a king within our "Church" (laughter,) and strive toward giving him power over the kings of the nations."

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4. Paul said:

"And having food and raiment let us be therewith content." (1 Tim 6:8)

The Catholic founders, laughing, said,

"Not us! We will ensure that we squeeze every last mite out of the sheep so our leadership can live in luxury, and so we can build outrageously tall and extravagant "cathedrals," even in small, poor communities.

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5. The Hebrews and Paul said, respectively:

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled . . ." (Heb 13:4)

". . . in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Tim 4:1-3)

The Catholic founders, laughing, said,

"This a good one. Let's forbid all the staff--men and women--to marry; and we will use that as a marketing tool to convince the sheep how great our sacrifices are to serve them (laughter.) And let's have a meat-free day, every week, say, on Friday. But in honor of our illustrious "saviour," fish will be allowed (laughter.)"

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6. James said:

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed . . . " (Jam 5:16)

The Catholic founders, scheming, said,

"Wait! We can use this to our advantage. We will call it, say, a penance, or an indulgence, and we will put a price on each so we can squeeze more money out of the sheep (laughter.) To give it force, we will make it so they can only confess their sins to a priest, I mean, a "Father" (laughter.) "

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Philip

122 posted on 04/09/2014 5:29:39 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
U-2012>shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach

Would you please write in English? I don’t understand gibberish.

It is interesting that you would consider
"calling on the NAME of Jesus Christ", gibberish.

It causes me to wonder about your salvation.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
123 posted on 04/09/2014 7:53:51 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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Christians are demanded to follow the law of love, not the Torah.

The law of love; as in the following by Yah'shua
“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments
We are the Bride of Yah'shua, does a bride show
their love for their husband by obeying His commandments.

What kind of bride tells her husband,
I love you but I will not obey you.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
124 posted on 04/09/2014 8:10:33 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Galatians 5:14

for the whole law is fulfilled in one word, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

read Acts 15, your side lost.


125 posted on 04/09/2014 8:32:18 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: PhilipFreneau; UriÂ’el-2012

>shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach<<

we are supposed to be impressed by what i guess is hebrew??

funny, i thought we all communicate in english on this site.


126 posted on 04/09/2014 8:35:52 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Galatians 5:14

for the whole law is fulfilled in one word, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

read Acts 15, your side lost.

Do you mean where Peter's amanuensis Mark
and Matthew and Luke quoted Yah'shua quoting His WORD the Torah .
Leviticus 19:18 …. but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
127 posted on 04/09/2014 8:44:21 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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Welcome to FR; NooB

Try to understand the board before
you embarrass yourself.


128 posted on 04/09/2014 8:50:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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3 years hardly qualifies him as a Noob. However refusing to use English...


129 posted on 04/09/2014 9:03:05 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Galatians 5:1-3

for freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. now i Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision , CHRIST WILL BE OF NO ADVANTAGE TO YOU. I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW.

Genesis 17:10
this is my covenant, which you should keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised.

the Torah commands circumcision, which is the old covenant.
but the writer of Hebrews tells us Jesus is the mediator of A NEW COVENANT, one in which circumcision is not only NOT COMMANDED, but one in which Paul warns us that if we attempt to keep the law, Christ is of no advantage to us.

i would recommend buying a Bible that does not end with the book of deuteronomy.


130 posted on 04/09/2014 9:09:14 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; verga

you can write in english after all, hooray!!


131 posted on 04/09/2014 9:10:57 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: verga; UriÂ’el-2012

3 years hardly qualifies him as a Noob

cut him some slack, it’s already been established he has a hard time counting to 3. :)


132 posted on 04/09/2014 9:15:06 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: verga
You also seem to be a NooB

Welcome to FR


133 posted on 04/09/2014 9:16:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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How do you read Colossians 2:8-11

Paul is as spoken of by Peter difficult to read and understand
which is why it is imperative to not cherry pick one verse
out of context and build a cult upon it.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

135 posted on 04/09/2014 9:42:36 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: verga

The scriptures are not scriptural?

Placing the verses of the four gospels together in time as an interlinear makes them not scriptural?

Wow! That is fear exposed.


137 posted on 04/09/2014 9:47:00 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

>>>It is interesting that you would consider “calling on the NAME of Jesus Christ”, gibberish.<<<

It is interesting you would write gibberish and claim it means “calling on the name of Jesus Christ;” when all you had to write, to make yourself clear, was “calling on the name of Jesus Christ.”

Jesus tried to make himself understood to the common man. You seem to be on a mission to “impress” people with your ability to string together unintelligible gibberish.

It causes me to wonder about YOUR salvation.

Philip


138 posted on 04/09/2014 9:50:03 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: verga

On a site that has been up and running almost 18 years, yes 3 years is very noob.
.


139 posted on 04/09/2014 9:51:32 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PhilipFreneau

What would you know about salvation?

Have you ever read “Flatlander?”
.


140 posted on 04/09/2014 9:54:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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