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1 posted on 04/01/2014 11:54:00 AM PDT by NYer
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The cup, made of agate, gold and onyx, is actually two goblets formed together, the authors claim.

IOW, the cup has been encased in the gold, trimmed with precious stones. Ping!

2 posted on 04/01/2014 11:55:04 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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That is not the cup of a carpenter!


3 posted on 04/01/2014 11:57:53 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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From "Raiders Of The lost Ark" (The cup of a carpenter)

5 posted on 04/01/2014 11:59:12 AM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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I highly doubt it. Jesus was the guy who rode into town on the back of a donkey. Doubtful He, along with the twelve, had the practice much less the wherewithal to us such a jewel encrusted goblet as a matter of what was then an otherwise ordinary meal, albeit, the last supper.
7 posted on 04/01/2014 12:00:04 PM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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He chose.........poorly.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 12:02:12 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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I will stick with my previous reply, sort of.

" Elsa don't cross the seal. The knight warned us not to take the grail from here!"

10 posted on 04/01/2014 12:03:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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The Deacon’s Bench ^ | April 1, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

April 1st works for me...


12 posted on 04/01/2014 12:05:13 PM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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PING


14 posted on 04/01/2014 12:07:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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Jesus’ cup is His teachings, the wine is the grace that flows to a person who follows those teachings.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 12:07:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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I have always wondered why anyone believes the cup was even saved. The room was rented. It seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would take the cup along to the Garden, nor does it make sense that any one of the disciples would go back to the room and get it several days later. How would they know which one of a dozen cups, likely all similar clay pottery, would be the cup used by Jesus?
Now it does make perfect sense that the disciples who ran to the tomb did gather up the linen clothes and treasure those over the centuries.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 12:08:04 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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Darn. I thought this was about a ‘59 Les Paul with original PAF’s.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 12:10:50 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Is it dishwasher safe...


22 posted on 04/01/2014 12:12:58 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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And I thought I was going to come in here and be all clever and make an Indiana Jones/Last Crusade comment. But you all beat me to it. Well played, freepers, well played. You chose wisely.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 12:22:13 PM PDT by alphadoggie
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It could be. The medieval gold trimming and the jewels were added afterward. Underneath, you can see that it’s just a plain ceramic chalice, of the kind used at the time of Jesus.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 12:29:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Interesting. I’ve never heard of this before. However, my faith will neither be strenghtened nor weakened by this story and item.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 12:45:16 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Oh, yeah, something in use in first century Judea is going to say “GRAIL” on it’s base.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 1:04:45 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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Goblets weren’t used by common folk in 30 AD. The Romans had begun small-scale mass production of decorated pottery preceding that time period using molds and pressed clay.

Christ’s cup was most likely a small red bowl. A stackable, uniformed-sized one like in the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_pottery_South_Gaulish_samian_ware.jpg

Besides, veneration of objects surrounding the life, death, and resurrection of Christ is foolish, in my opinion. It is the very fact that He lived, died, and rose again, and why He did it, that we should celebrate, not a splinter of wood, a piece of cloth, or an old cup.


44 posted on 04/01/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I’m not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria?

[pause]

Sir Robin: I don’t know that.

[he is thrown over the edge into the volcano]

Sir Robin: Auuuuuuuugh.

(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist...)


52 posted on 04/01/2014 2:21:17 PM PDT by Exeter (A government that doesn't trust its people is a government that shouldn't be trusted.)
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Hmm. The only Holy Grail for which I've ever seen something remotely resembling a providence is in the Cathedral of Valencia, Spain, said to have been brought from Rome by St. Lawrence in the fourth century.

http://www.valenciavalencia.com/sights-guide/holy-grail-valencia.htm

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6985

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/jbennett_part1_oct04.asp

Bing "Valencia Holy Grail" or "St. Lawrence Holy Grail" for more articles.

I'm a skeptic, but among claimed "Holy Grails," the one from Valencia has the best backstory. It's made of agate and is similar to agate cups from Jerusalem, dating 1-50 AD, exhibited in the British Museum.

Some scholars claim that porous cups, such as wood or pottery, were forbidden for use at Passover because they could not be "clean."

Just some random thoughts.

55 posted on 04/01/2014 2:39:49 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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I am always skeptical of relics;Gibbon reported enough claimed pieces of “The True Cross” to make a sizable wooden fleet. There has always been lots of relics to stimulate donations by poor souls.


57 posted on 04/01/2014 2:51:27 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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