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Catholic Fallacies: Private Interpretation
These Are Written ^ | July 2, 2007

Posted on 03/22/2014 5:42:31 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Lou Budvis
A mindset that would be upset over the RCC’s teachings on Mary,

Nobody goes to hell for climate skepticism, idolatry is another matter.

21 posted on 03/22/2014 7:02:45 AM PDT by xone
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To: Gamecock

Is this proclamation supposed to assert that since Protestants interpret every word of the Bible they have the winning hand in what to believe? They are innocent of atrocities as opposed to historically horrible Catholic behaviors? Well, we could cite a few Protestant mess ups in some of the various sects. Cromwell, for one. Salem witch trials another. Henry the VIII wasn’t exactly Biblically inspired when he cut off Rome and did his cruelties.

No, this is all a simplistic pointless presentation...to prove what?


22 posted on 03/22/2014 7:03:26 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: xone

Nothing in Catholic teachings about Mary constitute idolatry. Catholic teaching about Mary is explicit that she is NOT God and is not to be worshipped as God. She is venerated as the greatest saint, not worshipped as God.

To post otherwise is to post a clear falsehood about what Catholics teach and believe.


23 posted on 03/22/2014 7:08:59 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Based upon years of experience and having gotten two anti-Catholics here to admit they were lying in just the last year of so.

You did?

Where.

24 posted on 03/22/2014 7:09:39 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
This is a silly thread, admittedly responding to a rather lame argument. The problem is not with "private interpretation" per set, but with interpretations which ignore the whole context of Christian tradition -- the understanding of the church throughout history -- in favor of some novelty of the day.

You, yourself, lodge essentially the same objection in regard to, e.g., Joel Osteen!

Why would you think the Vatican should produce a Bible commentary with a single dogmatically-defined interpretation of every verse? It would lock interpreters into a box and end most Biblical scholarship. It's not our teaching model -- which is usually negative, defining orthodoxy's boundaries and allowing freedom within those boundaries -- anyway.

25 posted on 03/22/2014 7:10:13 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: vladimir998

Jesus and Rome or Rome?


26 posted on 03/22/2014 7:10:20 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Campion

“This is a silly thread, admittedly responding to a rather lame argument.”

Well said!


27 posted on 03/22/2014 7:14:42 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Springfield Reformer

Catholics have the truth. Christ is the way the truth and the life. And the Catholic Church was founded by Christ on the apostles.

Catholics all over the world need not worry. It’s through the Holy Spirit that we have the Bible and the interpretations that have developed through the Magisterium.

You are aware that there is more to Catholicism than just the (Roman) Latin Catholic Church, aren’t you?


28 posted on 03/22/2014 7:17:18 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: xone

This thread is not about idolatry — it’s about interpretation of the word of God.


29 posted on 03/22/2014 7:19:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ is our intercessor between us and God, not a priest or a pope. We have 33,000 different denominations, or interpretations of God's Word, time to study and let the Holy Spirit teach you. Put in the time to study and the Book will interpret itself.

What about this scripture, is He the only one in Heaven or not? Everybody knows John 3:16 what about 3 verses earlier?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

30 posted on 03/22/2014 7:20:42 AM PDT by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I don't think you are familiar with the many Rites of the Catholic Church. Check them out.

Ukrainian (Catholic) Church an example of 'synodality' for Pope
Traditional Rites in Union Now with the Catholic Church
Catholic conservatives: A traditionalist avant-garde
The Rites of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
One and Many Churches (origins of the Church)
THE RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- There are many!
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies

31 posted on 03/22/2014 7:22:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: vladimir998
Catholic teaching about Mary is explicit that she is NOT God and is not to be worshiped as God. She is venerated as the greatest saint, not worshiped as God.

To all the educated Catholics that read the Catechism etc. What about the illiterate peon in some village in Mexico? Do the finer points of latria and hyperdulia translate as well to that guy? Does the sale of patron saint statues and the rest of the saint commerce also translate as easily to the wretched poor around the world, as easily as it does to educated American Catholics?

32 posted on 03/22/2014 7:25:43 AM PDT by xone
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To: Gamecock
While Protestants look to the scriptures for authority on faith-based issues, Catholics look to the authority of their visible church organization.

And, BTW, this is a hilarious oversimplification, especially if "Protestant" means something bigger than latter-day fluffy American evangelicalism. If Protestants look only to Scripture, why did they write Luther's large & small catechisms? Why the Westminster Confession?

If Catholics look only to the church, why does the catechism say the church "forcefully and specifically exhorts" the faithful to "frequent reading of the divine scriptures" (section 133) and calls Scripture (quoting Vatican II) "strength for [the Catholic's] faith, food for the soul, and a pure and lasting font of spiritual life" (section 131)?

33 posted on 03/22/2014 7:26:14 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Salvation

Check #3, I didn’t bring it up, counsel your co-religionists. His comparison.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 7:27:15 AM PDT by xone
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To: Gamecock

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/march/sweden-pentecostal-converts-catholicism-ulf-ekman-word-life.html

In his resignation letter, which Charisma has in full, Ekman explains more of the reasoning behind his conversion to Catholicism:


35 posted on 03/22/2014 7:28:47 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Campion
Catechisms and confessions are not dogma. They are guidelines.
36 posted on 03/22/2014 7:32:44 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Campion
If Protestants look only to Scripture, why did they write Luther's large & small catechisms?

Scripture is the sole norm and authority for doctrine. Luther's Catechism is an exposition of that scripture. What is believed and why, none of which contradicts its scriptural foundation. Like any catechism, it is a teaching tool.

37 posted on 03/22/2014 7:32:47 AM PDT by xone
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To: thirst4truth
We have 33,000 different denominations, or interpretations of God's Word, time to study and let the Holy Spirit teach you.

Jesus prayed that all his followers would be one. Not merely united in their hatred and mistrust of Rome, and disunited in everything else, but one "event as you, Father, and I are one".

James writes that the fervent prayer of a holy man is effectual.

So we know Jesus' prayer was answered. It just wasn't answered by Protestantism.

38 posted on 03/22/2014 7:33:09 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Salvation; Springfield Reformer
Catholics have the truth. Christ is the way the truth and the life.

And the Roman Catholics try keep it in a tidy little box somewhere in Rome.

And the Catholic Church was founded by Christ on the apostles.

Repeat an error enough and people will believe it. For example: if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

39 posted on 03/22/2014 7:35:52 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: xone
An irrelevant gloss. Luther's catechism still isn't Scripture, so don't tell me you look only to Scripture. You don't. Almost nobody does, and those who do usually end up founding some aberrant cult.

Even Hank Hannegraaf appeals to something he calls "the historic Christian faith" to shoot down aberrant interpretations.

40 posted on 03/22/2014 7:38:35 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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