Gay Bishop Gene Robinson Asks Pope Francis to Change Doctrine Branding Homosexuality a Disorder

Christian Post ^ | 03/18/2014 | Stoyan Zaimov

[showme_the_Glory]

If we could just get rid of a few pesky commandments too, it would be great.

[kidd]

No.

There have been some really sinful popes in the past. They can be quite fallible in their actions, thoughts and personal opinions.

Popes are only infallible in the exercise of the office as shepherd and teacher. Papal infallibility is based on his adherence to scripture, tradition and magisterium (which is dependent on scripture).

As homosexual acts are clearly wrong, as described in the Bible, and that the Church has never accepted homosexual acts as anything but sinful, the Pope would have no basis on which to change Church dogma on homosexuality. It would thus be his opinion, and nothing more.

[mc5cents]

I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.,p> It is not that simple. Look into it.

[rwa265]

I’m pretty sure that the Catholic Church doesn’t call homosexuality a “disorder”. It calls it “sin”.

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Actually, the Church does use the term “disordered” to describe homosexuality. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

[Pollster1]

Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins. Jesus taught (Mark 10): "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh."

Gene Robinson is a pervert who abandoned his own daughters (ages 7 and 11) and left a romantic relationship with their mother to start a romantic relationship with someone younger. If a straight man had done that, he would be universally condemned, even by the far left, but since the new relationship was with another man, the left celebrates his abandonment of his family.

I suspect the Pope will have no trouble deciding whether to follow Jesus or Gene.

[rwa265]

I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.

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I believe most of those ministers are leaving or have left the Episcopal Church because of those liberal policies and are in accord with the teachings of the Catholic Church in that area.

[Elsie]

Gay Bishop Gene Robinson Asks Pope Francis to Change Doctrine Branding Homosexuality a Disorder

Shouldn't 'he' be asking Someone a little higher up the chain of command??

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html

 

Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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[Elsie]

Gene Robinson, recognized as the first openly gay bishop in a major Protestant denomination,

Who's afraid to say Episcopal ???

[madprof98]

Should have included the wife he divorced and the two kids he abandoned in the bishop’s family portrait.

[Elsie]

So how can an openly homosexual be a Bishop?

Sounds like a management problem to me.

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1 Corinthians 5:1
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans...

[Elsie]

1 Corinthians 5:11-13
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

[Elsie]

The blame goes up even higher — to those who ORDAINED him as Bishop.

That was then...

This is now: who KEEPS him 'ordained'??

[Fai Mao]

So are the words disorder and sin interchangeable?

A disorder is a disease a sin is moral failing.

So yeah, if the RC calls it a disorder then they should change the term to sin

[Elsie]

He argued that such judgment is 'the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over.'"

DUH!

Being a LIAR is the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over as well!
Being a THIEF is the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over as well!
Being a IDOLATOR is the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over as well!
Being an ADULTERER is the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over as well!
Being someone who fails to honor his parents is the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over as well!

[Elsie]

I highly doubt of Gene Robinson’s message will ever reach Pope Francis...

OH??

I'm SURE that he posts here from time to time.

(Or was that Twitter???)

[Elsie]

They get to LOOSE as well...

[Elsie]

They can be quite fallible in their actions, thoughts and personal opinions.

Did they get to STAY in office; like this Episscopailian has?

[Missouri gal]

RE: If the Pope said it was no longer a sin..”

The answer is No. The Pope cannot change any doctrine on his own. The Magisterium (all Catholic bishops united to him) must speak in unity on a matter pertaining to faith or morals in order to refine (never contradict) a major teaching.

[Iscool]

As homosexual acts are clearly wrong, as described in the Bible, and that the Church has never accepted homosexual acts as anything but sinful, the Pope would have no basis on which to change Church dogma on homosexuality. It would thus be his opinion, and nothing more.

But we all know that your religion has a way around that...Your religion claims it has never changed its dogma...But what it does is 'expand' the understanding; it more 'fully develops' the dogma...How many times have we seen that...

[pbear8]

I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.

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