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To: vladimir998
No, salvation is through grace alone.

Good. Then the *church* isn't needed.

You're getting there.

71 posted on 01/24/2014 1:03:07 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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“Good. Then the *church* isn’t needed.”


He thinks that his church dispenses grace, and that, after the initial non-works grace is received, grace is then “merited” for the purpose of salvation.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, WE CAN THEN MERIT for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.


79 posted on 01/24/2014 3:11:46 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: metmom

“Good. Then the *church* isn’t needed.”

So Christ sent out something into the world that St. Paul called His Body and His Bride but it isn’t needed?


173 posted on 01/24/2014 8:05:30 AM PST by vladimir998
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