Posted on 01/22/2014 6:17:03 AM PST by marshmallow
The president of Eastside Catholic School has resigned amid the fallout from her decision to dismiss the vice principal for marrying his gay partner.
The president and CEO of Eastside Catholic School has resigned amid unrelenting protests over her decision to dismiss the school’s vice principal for marrying his gay partner.
In December, Sister Mary Tracy fired Vice Principal Mark Zmuda, who also served as the school’s swim coach, saying his marriage to a man violated the Roman Catholic teachings he’d agreed to uphold when he began working at the school.
Her resignation, submitted to the Eastside board of trustees Monday and made public Tuesday, was effective immediately.
It comes just days before a planned schoolwide meeting Thursday, during which board members — who have been the target of persistent lobbying by students, alumni and parents — are expected to field parents’ questions.
The circumstances surrounding Zmuda’s dismissal — and the demonstrations that followed — have presented a public-relations challenge for the private, independent Sammamish school of 935 middle-school and high-school students, affiliated with the Seattle Archdiocese but overseen by its own board of trustees.
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Our local Catholic high school gets Catholic theology....I know because I take Bible study from the nun that teaches it. I know she is teaching it right. I hope at the high school level that they get more than the catechism, which is what my RCIA group is reviewing with our adult candidates. This is my first year on the team, so I am observing and learning what they teach there myself. I think adults should all go through a continuing education program. I highly recommend Bible studies for Catholics, too. We should never stop learning and growing in our faith.
Lest I forget, our priest teaches at my church’s Catholic school. He teaches 5th graders religion. I know they are getting it right there, too.
I am aware you do not like liberal poll results. We should look at them with care because in many cases they do have an agenda. However, I will make another appeal to look at macro political election results once more.
No fancy stats, or charts it boils down to this. Red states are in Protestant/Evangelical/Non-denominational Christian strong holds. They vote in conservative candidates (thus the red state designation) for national politics. The majority of Catholic voters are in urban areas and suburbs in blue states. We know which candidates are sent from those states.
You can argue, and it may be a valid point, that the seculars dwarf the devout Roman Catholics in Blue states. It could be, but if, as you assert Roman Catholics dwarf Evangelicals and other non-Catholic Christian denominations, then where are all these devout Roman Catholics?
Perhaps they should all move to red states (you are welcome in the Lone Star state, come on down) and take away all those electoral votes from the blue states.
As you know things have changed. Having Sisters and Priests teach was important to a Catholic education. In the 80s when I was in Catholic HS they had a 50/50 balance of lay teachers and clergy. I received an alumi newsletter a few months ago to find out all of the front office is now lay folk.
I have to say the Sisters were awesome. I could not stand them at the time, but they had eyes in the back of their heads, took no garbage, and handed out discipline appropriately.
So parents and students are surprised that this is a Roman Catholic school?
I am scratching my head on this one. If the school is part of the archdiocese and its board members are Roman Catholics, then the pressure for the Sister to step down is coming from fellow Roman Catholics, right? It is not like the state of WA is calling for the reinstatement of the sodomite VP.
The real victim here is Sister Mary Tracy. She was doing the right thing which I assume was enforcing the Catholic school charter and has to resign under pressure.
The problem is that they let a lot of satanic pagans attend their school.
By “I fail to see the problem”...I meant with his dismissal. He shouldn’t have been living a gay lifestyle and working in a Catholic school.
Why did she only let him go after the marriage, was he living a Catholic life before that? Seems highly unlikely.
AND he was the swim coach. If these parents knew a homosexual man was in the pool with their sons, then that even draws stranger conclusions. Maybe legal pot up in WA has fried their brains.
My thoughts are that she was ok with it till the Bishop had to step in and protect the faith. Didn’t wade through reading the whole article, but the guy never should have been working there and any parents and students supporting him are sadly being led astray. Must be a pretty liberal area to have fallen this far. I shudder to think of the locker room coaching he did.
wow. seattle is more lost than san fran.
Oh? So still trying to engage in your raw numbers spin as per your embarrassing last attempt at damage control in the light of the overwhelming evidence showing Catholics being far more liberal. And in which you tried to use raw numbers of Catholics versus single Prot denoms, rather than percentage, or even the numbers of evangelicals in total! By that method Roman clerics are exceedingly more prone to be pedophiles .
Now you try the same thing only to have it bite you again. For without providing any substantiation (how can you, since you see surveys as unreliably biased), you assert have pro-life Catholics (PLCs) are far more numerous than (prolife i assume) evangelicals.
Yet another RC just tried to argue the other day that evangelicals were more responsible for liberals getting elected since they have greater impact!
In addition even if your raw numbers assertion of PLCs could be proven true, which we will get to in a minute, then using raw numbers to determine impact would make Catholics more responsible for abortion since they vote more liberal in both numbers and percentage than evangelicals.
As for determining how many PLCs there are versus prolife evangelicals, i will provide some data to chew on before i go to bed. We must first try to reasonably ascertain how many of each there are.
In so doing, we have the fairly standard figure of approx. 80 million Evangelicals (26% of a 313 million U.S. population) in America (though others range from have an est 60-100 million), making up 26% of Prot. churches, which make up 51% of all churches in the US.
Then we have the standard figure of approx. 75 million Catholics which make up 51% of all churches in the US.
Thus the figure between the two parties are close, but we have not worked at determining how many of each are pro life. In so doing it would be easiest to start by restricting each to whites, not because i am racist but because blacks and Latinos typically vote liberal.
Not counting blacks would eliminate 6% of evangelicals (15% of blacks), and 5% of Catholics.
53% of black evangelicals and 35% of black Catholics say that abortion should be illegal.
Blacks constituted approx. 13% of the electorate in 2012. Black Protestants were 9% of the electorate, and Hispanic Catholics 5%
Latinos make up an est. 15% of evangelicals, and 32% of Catholics. 51% of Hispanic Catholics ">and 70% of Latino evangelicals say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases
Latinos account for 11% of the nation’s eligible electorate [2012], with 57% being Catholic.
Getting down to white Catholics and white evangelicals, 54% of the former and 64% of the latter say [2011-2012] abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
Among all Catholics and evangelicals (racial stats not given) who attend services weekly or more, 58% of Catholics and 73% of evangelicals say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
Overall, white Evangelicals (23% of the electorate) voted 79%/20% Romney/Obama; Protestants overall (53% of the electorate) voted 57%/42%; black Protestants (9% of the electorate) and other Christian voted 5%/95%; Catholics overall (25% of the electorate) voted 48%/50%; white Catholics (18% of the electorate) voted 59%/40%; and Hispanic Catholics (5% of the electorate) voted 21%/75% Romney/Obama http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx
Miscl. other stats:
26 percent of Catholics (2007) polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivocal position on abortion; 46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; - Catholic World Report: survey by Roper Center.
77% of Catholics polled "believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 1999 poll by the National Catholic Reporter. http://www.catholictradition.org/v2-bombs14b.htm
Majorities of Catholics support issues traditionally considered planks of the Democratic Party platform: universal healthcare, pro-labor policies, access to abortion, and social welfare programs for the poor. - http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress/PressReleases/pr061808.pdf
Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. http://www.catholicleague.org/catholic-women-and-abortion/
It is too late for me to crunch numbers here to come up with a estimate of how many PLCs versus PLEs their are, but the latter are hardly miniscule in comparison, and overall remain the most conservative block. Moreover, your classification of PLCs is meaningless as a comparison btwn Rome and others, for as said, both liberal and PLCs are treated as members in life and in death.
From your own BS numbers, dissected by Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. I can’t believe you would actually use the Catholic League to try and prove Catholics abort babies more than protestants.
You also use stats compiled by the LIBERAL website National Catholic Reporter. Your credibility is just about shot to hell.
http://www.catholicleague.org/catholic-women-and-abortion/
In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the findings is that a) the Catholic Church’s teachings on abortion are falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been left to believe.
To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story, there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation’s leading abortion rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the federal government to service its mission. This is not to say that the Guttmacher researchers “cooked” the data, but it is to say that readers should be as suspect of their work as they would if the Pentagon had a research arm that produced studies indicating the need for an arms buildup.
If the Guttmacher Institute were truly interested in assessing the relationship between religion and abortion, it would have asked the women who listed a Catholic affiliation whether they were regular Church-goers. But they didn’t. Nor did they ask those women whether they agreed with the Church’s teachings on abortion. It is not unreasonable to assume that had such questions been asked, the results would not have been quite so dramatic.
And you also don’t mention that MOST ABORTIONS in this country are black babies, which I can guarantee you most are definitely not Catholic.
Of course his dismissal was consistent with Catholic teaching. But understand that the attacks against the school for being Catholic, against the administration and the very principles of the school, are coming from its own students and their parents. Of course, they're being whipped into a frenzy by outside Gaystapo groups and a hostile media, but there is no excuse for behaving like absolute pagans when you attend a Catholic school.
There should be a massive purge of students who display hostility toward upholding this standard. But then, the school probably can't afford that.
It is the school’s responsibility to raise good Catholics, allowing the man to work there so long was a grievous mistake. You reap what you sow, obviously this school failed them for some time to get this backlash. It’s their mess to clean up and if purging is necessary, so be it.
Since you have yet to establish any, that would actually be higher than yours even if it was true, rather than being another desperate attempt to divert attention from your latest specious attempt at damage control.
Here, ignoring the continuing evidence that Catholics - which are your brethren as long as Rome treats them as members, whether you like it or not- are far more liberal than evangelicals,
and are certainly not a miniscule amount in caparison with PLCs, and after complaining about biased MSM, you focus on an old stat that was reported by a Catholic source, which of course must also be biased because it impugns Rome.
Liberal as they may be, this does not make them less reliable than the cultic Catholics as yourself who resort to the manner of sophistry that continues to be exposed.
I however did notice that 1996 29% figure that i had pasted with the micl ones first, and thought it questionable and old and meant to check it out as i usually do, but got tired after hours (it did take me that) of research.
Let us then look at Donohue and see if he is on the money.
Donohue attempts the same fallacious tactic as you, trying to eliminate the majority of Catholics by saying Guttmacher should determine who is such by whether they go to church weekly, which at best that is 41% (and both sides are said to lie).
Donohue also impugns Guttmacher because it is commissioned by PP, but which should trying to suppress the numbers of abortions, yet Donohue relies on Guttmacher stats on blacks as part of his focus on minorities, in seeking to get the Catholic figures down, but he still fails to prove his case.
Donohue next focuses on the Latinos, and states "fully 20 percent of Catholics belong to minority groups: 14 percent of Catholics are Hispanic," without providing any documentation. Yet i read (from Joseph Claude Harris, controller for the St. Vincent de Paul Society) by 1995 there were 55.5 million Catholics in the US, and 14.2 million were Hispanic. Do the math. And which is far more in line with what should be expected, and is higher now. Donohue evidently got 14 million and 14% mixed up. And as he affirms, Latino's abort rate is much higher than the average.
Donohue aso invokes stats on women who have no religious affiliation, as they are four times more likely than other women to have an abortion. But which is irrelevant as concerns whether Caths have a much higher rate of abortion than Prots, which Donohue fails to prove.
Addressing the question, "Do Catholic women get abortions more frequently than Protestant women?" Factcheckers states ,
The survey, the latest conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, was completed by more than 10,000 women. Staffers in hospitals, clinics and physicians’ offices where abortions are performed distributed the questionnaire. The Guttmacher Institute, which researches sexual and reproductive health worldwide, says it used the survey data along with data on the number of abortions performed nationally to estimate abortion rates and the size of certain demographic groups. The institute found that more Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: Forty-three percent of women over age 17 in the 2000-2001 survey said they were Protestant, while 27 percent said they were Catholic. But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women, according to study author Rachel K. Jones.
13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical
As for the blacks, except for a remnant, due to the liberal lies that the culture largely bought, they are the most liberal and least Christian overall.
Sad that any get abortions
Now, NKP, fear of Truth makes one say/do things that screams of 'help' and posting negativityly of Daniel's credibility is just another scream for help.
NOTHING you or any other cathlics says will ever make catholicsm what 'their church' says it is. It's a fraud - and how many are willing to admit they were 'taken in' by fraud. It's time for catholics to SEE/HEAR the Truth and shame the devil. I did along with many others who were born into it did. You think it's easy to leave all you have ever known? YES, once you are open to Truth, Truth comes and there is no turning back and busy renewing one's mind to God's Word alone. Then you see how much deception there is in catholicsm and it does leave one unsaved. It's too late for silliness over numbers - busy work to defend the indefensible - think of yourself!
Yet Catholics choose to stay in spiritual blindness and then they fight/argue 'trying' to be right. It ain't gonna happen - a catholic only digs a deeper hole for themselves as they cement those 'wrong teachings' and one they won't be able to get out of. Many many have left the cult of catholicsm because their heart was right and wanted to know Truth for themselves and NOT what 'men' tells them. Learn from Genesis - believing anything other than what God says and you will be led astray and then inner fear takes over and they wrestle with numbers and try hard to find something redeeming about Catholicism. When does it stop for you?
One day, and I hope it is not when it is too late, that Daniel was your best friend leading you to Truth on a one to one. Fight/kick/scream/insult is all for naught because The Truth will not change.
I think that most activist, militant sodomites work under the radar at many of these parochial schools until a breaking point is reached in a decision to go public on their debauchery, such as in this case. I'm not sure that an interview process can be devised that would be decisive enough to detect these sleeper homosexuals and activists. By the time they usually find out, they are ensconced in the system.
So you get most of your information from sites aligned with Planned Parenthood? You might try looking for a liberal website to start posting on.
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