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To: ScubieNuc

(Hidden—or revealed).

Like all good Germans know-—he who controls the language, controls the perceptions. I’ve studied Wittgenstein and the irrational, godless Postmodernists who were out to kill God (Christianity).

Your “logic” is inconsistent-—your premise is “faulty”——I can’t “argue” with a Sophist-—as Socrates knew.

Yes, I read your post.....it is irrational. Study St. Thomas-—so you understand logic and reason and can put out a coherent thought.

BTW, “....and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

Like I say-—the Catholic Church REASONED from the very WORDS of Jesus Christ——all of what he said-—not just a few verses YOU (the theologian, I am sure—ha ha) picked out.


66 posted on 04/12/2013 6:13:11 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

Do you know anything about the Passover meal of the Jews (seder)? This meal was done “in rememberance” of God saving Israel from the slavery of Egypt. Each part of the meal had a significant meaning which helped remind the people of the event.

Jesus’s last supper with the Disciples was a seder meal (being that it was the right time of year for that...Passover).

In the seder meal there was a male lamb without defect. The lamb was killed but it’s bones were not to be broken. Before Jesus this was a rememberance of the lamb that was slaughtered and it’s blood put on the door posts which the angel of Death would see and passover.

Palm Sunday is 5 days before the death of Jesus. The lamb which was to be sacrificed in the Temple was selected 5 days before it was sacrificed in the Temple.

The festival of unleavened bread began Friday evening (at sunset). As part of the festival, the Jews would take some of the grain - the “first fruits” of their harvest - to the Temple to offer as a sacrifice. In so doing, they were offering God all they had and trusting Him to proved the rest of the harvest. It was at this point that Jesus was buried - planted in the ground - as He said right before His death. Paul refers to Jesus as the first fruits of those raised from the dead in 1 Corinthians.

Christian symbolism in the Passover occurs early in the Seder (the Passover dinner). Three matzahs are put together (representing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The middle matzah is broken, wrapped in a white cloth, and hidden, representing the death and burial of Jesus. The matzah itself is designed to represent Jesus, since it is striped and pierced, which was prophesized by Isaiah, David, and Zechariah. Following the Seder meal, the “buried” matzah is “resurrected,” which was foretold in the prophecies of David.

It was during a Passover seder that Jesus proclaimed that the meal represented Himself and that He was instituting the New Covenant, which was foretold by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah. The celebration of this covenant has become the ordinance of communion in the Christian Church. At the end of the meal, Jesus took the unleavened bread, broke it, and said that it represented His body. Then He took the cup of wine, which would have been the third cup of the Seder - the cup of redemption. He said that it was the new covenant in His blood “poured out for you.”

(borrowed from http://www.sonserver.com/passover-seder.htm)

So as you can see when Jesus was saying “this is my body” he wasn’t talking about a physical eating of his flesh but a ceremony of REMEMBERANCE of his sacrifice for our freedom from sin and death.

If you go to John 6 and read the whole chapter you can also see where Jesus explains that he wasn’t talking about a physical eating (like their ancestors did with manna and died) but he was talking about a spiritual “eating” (faith) where we can live forever. (John 6:47-51,58 specifically)

It is not me who takes a few verses out of context and builds whole doctrines that contradict the whole of Scripture. That is the Catholic Church which has done that.


67 posted on 04/12/2013 7:51:46 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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