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Debate: Is giving up alcohol, chocolate or biscuits the best way of marking Lent?
Catholic Herald ^ | February 7, 2013

Posted on 02/07/2013 9:58:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy

In the paper this week we asked well-known Catholics what they plan to do for Lent. Frank Cottrell Boyce, writer of the Olympic opening ceremony, is giving up tea and coffee; Bishop Alan Hopes will give up bread; and Stuart Reid will stop reading blogs that make him angry. Ann Widdecombe is abstaining from every kind of drink except water. Sister Wendy Beckett, however, won’t be giving up anything. “During Lent I do nothing extra,” she says. “After all, it is surely a time less for ‘giving up’ and more for ‘looking up’: up to Jesus on the Cross.”

Does she have a point – does giving things up merely distract from what is important? Can it turn into a health drive, or a way of losing weight, rather than helping us prepare for Holy Week and Easter? Would it be better, perhaps, to go to Mass more, or spend time reading great spiritual works?

On the other hand, many saints and Church Fathers attest to the spiritual effectiveness of penance. It keeps our focus on God; it is reparation for our sins and the sins of the world.

So, should Lent be about giving things up? Or is that a distraction?


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should Lent be about giving things up? Or is that a distraction?
"...when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,
that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
"
-- Matthew 6:16-18

1 posted on 02/07/2013 9:58:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m giving up watching Football. ;)


2 posted on 02/07/2013 10:01:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Alex Murphy

Since this is an anonymous forum and no one sees our faces, perhaps we should all give up FR for Lent?


3 posted on 02/07/2013 10:01:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Alex Murphy

“Giving up” now and splurging to make up for it before and after is the silliest superstition. It’s no sacrifice. Just self-worship.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 10:03:48 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Alex Murphy
My dad (R.I.P.) once told me he had a girlfriend in College who gave him up for lent!
5 posted on 02/07/2013 10:06:00 AM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m giving up Barack Obama for Lent.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 10:07:54 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Alex Murphy
On the other hand, many saints and Church Fathers attest to the spiritual effectiveness of penance. It keeps our focus on God; it is reparation for our sins and the sins of the world.

Wonder what they would think of the Shrove Tuesday bacchanals that have become part of the tradition of Lent?

7 posted on 02/07/2013 10:07:59 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Alex Murphy

At the risk of gettin gflamed, I just don’t get it. Lent or it’s concept is never mentioned in Scripture.

Then, it stands to reason that I’m not giving up anything for religious purposes that is not in the Bible.

The first 18 years of my life had a lot of Catholic in them, including 10 of my 12 years of primary schooling. I frankly never got the concept.


8 posted on 02/07/2013 10:11:29 AM PST by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: Alex Murphy

I try to do something extra (that hopefully sticks as a habit after Easter), usually involves scripture reading/study or prayer. I also try to deny myself something but I try not to tell anyone. Kind of defeats the point of self-denial if I do.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 10:14:50 AM PST by PeevedPatriot
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To: Alex Murphy
When I was a kid it was pretty typical to give up...or *try* to give up...candy for Lent.But one year one of the nuns at school (yes,Catholic school...10 years) told us that we shouldn't do that because it results in layoffs of people who work in candy factories.That made sense to me at the time...it still does,in fact.
10 posted on 02/07/2013 10:15:05 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: cyclotic

Yeah, there’s nothing about fasting or almsgiving in the Bible. The Trinity’s not mentioned either.


11 posted on 02/07/2013 10:15:52 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Alex Murphy

It takes 40 days to break a bad habit, never a bad idea when seeking to follow Christ.

Last year, for Lent, I gave up bad-eyeing/ bad-mouthing bad drivers on the Freeway for Lent. It really clarified for me how often I do this (Los Angeles has many bad drivers) and I was challenged to change my ways.

The year before, the Lord had me select 5 (of the many...) people I really did not like (ok, 5 people I hated) and pray for them. One of them, about 4 months later, came up to me at a church picnic. I said, “I have been praying for you,’ very casually, as a friend. She was profusely grateful and said she’d had a terrible year (which explained why she’d been so rude to me the year before, which was why I put her on my Foe List, haha).

I find these exercises well worth pursuing. Self-control, reining in the passions, setting aside those things that hold me, choosing to do the right thing in every small situation and so to follow the Lord even more closely - this is Lent, to me.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 10:19:01 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Three of us at our Italian Club gave up drinking for Lent last year. The treasurer’s report for the month reflected a loss of $1,000. Everyone turns around and looks at us.


13 posted on 02/07/2013 10:19:19 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

I’ve never been a quitter.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 10:19:38 AM PST by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: Alex Murphy

It takes 40 days to break a bad habit, never a bad idea when seeking to follow Christ.

Last year, for Lent, I gave up bad-eyeing/ bad-mouthing bad drivers on the Freeway for Lent. It really clarified for me how often I do this (Los Angeles has many bad drivers) and I was challenged to change my ways.

The year before, the Lord had me select 5 (of the many...) people I really did not like (ok, 5 people I hated) and pray for them. One of them, about 4 months later, came up to me at a church picnic. I said, “I have been praying for you,’ very casually, as a friend. She was profusely grateful and said she’d had a terrible year (which explained why she’d been so rude to me the year before, which was why I put her on my Foe List, haha).

I find these exercises well worth pursuing. Self-control, reining in the passions, setting aside those things that hold me, choosing to do the right thing in every small situation and so to follow the Lord even more closely - this is Lent, to me.


15 posted on 02/07/2013 10:20:11 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Alex Murphy
Call me cynical, but I just don't think giving up alcohol or chocolate or biscuits (or a whole host of other things) for 40 or so days to be *that* much of a sacrifice.

Maybe to First Worlders it is. But not for much of the rest of the world. Or Muslims - heck, they fast from sun up to sun down during Ramadan.

16 posted on 02/07/2013 10:21:05 AM PST by gdani
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Fasting on your own is mentioned, but I don’t think corporate fasting is?


17 posted on 02/07/2013 10:22:02 AM PST by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: gdani

Good point. So what do third worlders give up for Lent I wonder?


18 posted on 02/07/2013 10:26:29 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: cyclotic

The concept isn’t in scripture? I respectfully beg to differ: 1-Jesus’ 40 days of self denial in the desert before starting his public ministry. 2- Noah’s 40 days of rain. 3- Elijah’s 40 day trek. 4-Jonah’s 40 day warning to Nineveh. Then there were the Biblical periods where 40 years were significant, such as Israel in the desert. I think there’s plenty scriptural support for 40 day periods of reflection, preparation, etc. Just my two cents ;) Peace be with you.


19 posted on 02/07/2013 10:27:10 AM PST by PeevedPatriot
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To: MAexile

Me too...oh wait...I already have, since 2008.

Wonder if that counts since its like every day of the year? [I mean if 40 days is a sacrifice...whole entire years must be super good...]


20 posted on 02/07/2013 10:34:07 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“that your fasting may not be seen by others”.

Starving and not showing it is quite different from whining about giving up what you should anyway.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 10:37:11 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"give up candy"

Thanks a lot. You're fifty years too late for me to use that argument on my parents. Oh well...probably wouldn't have done a lot of good anyway. My parents were notoriously skeptical of any excuse by a kid for any reason.

22 posted on 02/07/2013 10:40:57 AM PST by driftless2
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To: huckfillary
I’ve never been a quitter.

You should give that up . . for the Lent season anyway.

23 posted on 02/07/2013 10:42:37 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: huckfillary
"never been a quitter"

Hey! another excuse I could have used on my parents fifty years ago. Now if they can just invent a time machine.

24 posted on 02/07/2013 10:42:48 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Alex Murphy

Lent is another vestigal leftover from pagan rituals that should be discontinued.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 10:50:53 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: cyclotic

Don’t worry no flaming...that is certainly not christian, especially when discussing the death and resurrection of Christ.

lent is a period of 40 days to contemplate the sacrifice of Christ on the cross in preparation for Easter. Fridays are particularly important because this is the day Christ died and fasting and prayer are ways to remember His sacrifice for humanity. Special emphasis is also in penance and recognizing that all of our sins have been paid for by Christ’s blood.

God’s desire to have us walk with him on HIs way to the cross can be seen biblically in the garden of Gethsemane when Christ chastises his apostles who fall asleep despite his agony.

There is no mandate (with the exception of meat on Fridays and Ash Wednesday) from the catholic church that one “gives up” anything. It is a suggestion as a way to draw closer to Christ preceding easter. Daily prayer and reflection can be more meaningful than giving up chocolate or alcohol for instance. Incidentally the reason why meat was chosen is because it is a symbol of wealth and status in the world...it is not so much the “meat” itself but the idea of sacrifice. Substituting a lobster dinner for a hamburger for instance would not be in keeping with the spirit of the sacrifice.

Certainly being a practicing catholic is a free will choice, and many people can and do disagree with the dogma of Rome. There are however sound theological reasons why the Catholic Church celebrates the liturgical seasons in specific manners.


26 posted on 02/07/2013 11:06:27 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: gdani

I think you have to do a serious fast, as Orthodox Christians do, or as the Muslims do, for it to get through to you and make a difference. Speaking for myself and my hard head and hard heart. Giving up one or two luxuries doesn’t mean much

Look here for the Orthodox fast:

http://www.abbamoses.com/fasting.html

No dairy, no meat, no eggs, no fish with backbones, no wine or oil...

First five days of Lent, two meals only, on Wednesday evening and on Friday, although “Few laymen keep these rules in their fullness.”

And you could still game the system - grilled lobster and scallops with Pernod, an arugula and avocado salad, flown-in raspberries for desert...

I try to cook simply and humbly and without luxury during Lent, although the definition of luxury is debatable. What strange times we live in, when it is so easy to obtain high calorie sweets and fats, and one can actually be self-indulgent with vegetables - fresh sugar snap peas and red peppers - no flabby turnips and sauerkraut to choke down night after night and be thankful you haven’t run out yet.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 11:17:40 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Alex Murphy

IN ‘98 my wife gave up sex (maybe just with me) divorce final two weeks ago. Freeper chicks I’m available


28 posted on 02/07/2013 11:20:30 AM PST by Quick Shot
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To: Alex Murphy

This Roman Catholic is giving up Lent for Lent. I don’t believe in dietary fanaticism. I don’t think God cares what we eat.With all the evil in the world, we should use Lent as a time to counter it in every way we can.


29 posted on 02/07/2013 11:20:43 AM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: Carpe Cerevisi; cyclotic; Alex Murphy
"Yeah, there’s nothing about fasting or almsgiving in the Bible. The Trinity’s not mentioned either."

This is not an appropriate means of determining good doctrine. Cyclotic is right, here...Lent & such is simply not in the Book.

If we look at those prescribed behaviors which are noted after the cross (when we Gentiles were grafted in), there are no such ceremonies/traditions/rituals encouraged by the Apostles. Even the so-called Lord's Supper is simply a remembrance celebration without any "transubstantiation".

Perhaps the greatest truth a believer can lay hold of is that for all people, everywhere the Great High Priest (according to the order of Melchizadek - non-Jewish, pre-Mosaic Law) has now entered the Holiest Place in existence (Heaven) bearing the offering of His blood & body, shed & broken for the elect, and this done once for all time.

The Father has accepted this sacrifice as permanent payment for the chosen and has pronounced them sanctified, holy because they are found in the Son. They bear nothing in their own hands, but come clothed in the holiness of Jesus, Who has called us His beloved and He sat down at the right hand of the Father.

Every form of safety, security, salvation is bound up in what He has done and is doing this very moment as He makes perpetual intercession on our behalf. The Holy Spirit is pouring grace upon the elect as He indwells the adopted children of Yahweh. And He, with groanings too deep for words, tells the Father everything within our soul.

If we would focus on holding these truths in our hearts & minds, we would find no need for human oriented rituals.

30 posted on 02/07/2013 11:21:27 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: bboop

I found that when you pray for someone, you usually end up liking them much more.

Years ago, I had a boss who, along with others, smoked in the office. At that time I had been a former smoker for c. 10 years. Of course his smoking drove me crazy but I had to work with the guy. A minister suggested that everytime I saw my boss smoking, I bless him.

So, I did, every time I heard him flick his bic. In just a couple of weeks, I could stand right next to his desk while the smoke blew up in my face from his ash tray and only think kind, generous thoughts about the smoker. Honestly.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 11:29:26 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Let's Roll

Follow up to #31.

Even years later, he was the only smoker I could stand to be around.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 11:32:51 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: dfwgator
I’m giving up watching Football. ;)

I caught on when I was around 20 and I gave up going to Church.

That said, I am a spiritual person. I just don't think "organized religion" has anything to do with faith. In fact, I would say it gets in the way..

33 posted on 02/07/2013 11:37:43 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Bravo! well-said.


34 posted on 02/07/2013 12:03:50 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: gdani

As for Muslims and Ramadan, it’s not all that difficult to fast from sun up to sundown for a month; just look at what college students on a budget do all the time, and for longer periods. It’s especially not difficult to fast during the daytime hours when you have feasts during each of the night times, which is how some Muslims I know have told me they live during Ramadan. I was told is was like a party in the evening hours. So I have never understood their notion of “sacrificing”.

The same goes for giving up something during Lent. If you fast from something during the 40 days, but go overboard as soon as the time’s up, what have you gained? If you intend to make a better habit about something, just be more mindful of it.


35 posted on 02/07/2013 1:09:09 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Alex Murphy
Are you planning to join us in observing Lent?

Welcome!

I hope you find the practice of prayerful fasting and self-denial to be edifying and uplifting, and a path to closer communion with Our Lord Jesus Christ.

36 posted on 02/07/2013 1:13:25 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

The Origin Of Lent

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-origin-of-lent/


37 posted on 02/07/2013 1:46:41 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03
BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaha!!!!

I think I WON'T be asking that (self-appointed, self-anointed, self-so-called) "Bible teacher" anything ...

unless, of course, I want to laugh at stupidity. And his stupidity is more tragic than funny.

38 posted on 02/07/2013 1:50:19 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: James C. Bennett

You can also do good works so I quit the giving up beer and wine thing and went with good works. I think its definitely a better way to go.


39 posted on 02/07/2013 2:14:15 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Alex Murphy

While the concept of self-denial is sound, making it a set annual ritual is not what we see in the N.T. church, being contrary in principle to being led by the Spirit in obeying His word.

But here are a few stats:

General Involvement in Parish and Religious Activities other than Mass (2008)

Four percent of Catholics describe themselves as “very” involved in parish or religious activities other than attending Mass.

Differences by Generation [regarding the above]

Among those attending Mass at least once a month, Millennial Generation (40 percent)

and Post-Vatican II Generation Catholics (34 percent) are more likely than older Catholics to say they are at least “somewhat” involved in parish life.

Lenten Practices

Do you abstain from meat on Fridays during Lent? 60%

Do you typically receive ashes at Ash Wednesday services? 45%

Besides giving something up, do you do anything positive, like giving additional money to the needy or trying to be a better person, during Lent? 44%

Besides meat on Fridays, do you give up or abstain from anything else during Lent? 38%

Note: Percentages do not sum to 100 because multiple responses were allowed.

Slightly less than half (45 percent) typically receive ashes at Ash Wednesday services.

• A similar proportion try to something positive (as opposed to giving something up) during Lent.

• Slightly fewer than four-tenths give up something for Lent (other than abstaining from meat on Fridays).

Midwest Catholics (65 percent) are the most likely to say they abstain from eating meat on Fridays during Lent and those in the West are the least likely to do this (55 percent).

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/FRStats/devotionpractice.pdf


40 posted on 02/07/2013 4:23:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Alex Murphy
Fasting or giving something up is good for you spiritually. That is why we are told to fast.

It allows you to learn to "hold things loosely, hold God tightly".

Unless you practice it you might not be able to do it when the time comes that you MUST give things up.

41 posted on 02/07/2013 4:29:20 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: Alex Murphy
How about additing something to your life?

 

Prayer — There are many possible devotions:  The Liturgy of the Hours, The Stations of the Cross or spending an extra hour in the Adoration Chapel, for example.  What is probably easiest for us is to prepare for the Liturgy of the Word for each Sunday by reading ahead and participating in a1 group to learn more about that liturgy  as well as the Eucharist.   Couples can read the Readings and discuss them at home.  So can families.  Get together with friends some evening during the week and read and discuss the readings for the next Sunday in the comfort of your home.  

 Fasting — Fasting is required on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  Fasting isn’t necessarily a diet.  How about fasting from television viewing during Lent as a family?  Or fasting from your favorite food?  Fasting from gossip or complaining?  The choice is yours.

 Almsgiving We practice living as Christ commanded. Believers must continually be invited to “all the works of charity, piety,  and the apostolate. For all these works make it clear that Christ’s faithful, though not of this world, are to be the light of the world…”  “Love one another as he has loved us.”

 Participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation — Check to see when your Penance Service is scheduled and take part in the Sacrament of Reconciliation..

 


42 posted on 02/07/2013 5:36:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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43 posted on 02/07/2013 5:39:19 PM PST by narses
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To: cyclotic

**Lent or it’s concept is never mentioned in Scripture**

Christ fasting for 40 Days in the Wilderness?

What kind of a Bible do you have anyway?


44 posted on 02/07/2013 5:40:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ClearBlueSky

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45 posted on 02/07/2013 5:46:30 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: IamConservative

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46 posted on 02/07/2013 5:47:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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47 posted on 02/07/2013 5:50:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t think it’s an either/or kind of thing. Or that fasting is a “distraction.”

Christ set the example of giving something up with the 40 days in the Wilderness. And John the Baptist also set an example of how to prepare for the coming of the Savior. And giving up meat on Fridays, to honor the day on which Christ was crucified, was a practice that came into the Church very early.

But it would also be a good time to check out your prayer life, or to make extra visits to church, or to schedule daily Bible readings.


48 posted on 02/07/2013 5:56:23 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alex Murphy
On the other hand, many saints and Church Fathers attest to the spiritual effectiveness of penance. It keeps our focus on God; it is reparation for our sins and the sins of the world.

If giving up chocolate, coffee, bread or alcohol could make reparations for the sins of world, why did Jesus have to die on the cross? I always suspected the point of "penance" even as a Catholic kid when I gave up bubblegum for Lent. It used to really irk me a little when saying a few Hail Marys and Our Fathers would be my penance at confession. As I hurriedly said them I often wondered what kind of God would be satisfied by saying mere words in exchange for forgiveness. Of course, I didn't understand the whole purpose of the cross until I came to saving faith in Jesus Christ and left the religion of my birth.

I think, far too often, we forget that there is NOTHING we can do to pay for our own sins much less those of the whole world. Christ's sacrifice was "once for all" and His blood made atonement for the sins of the world. We are given forgiveness by God's grace through faith in Christ and, through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, we are enabled to walk in newness of life - a life that brings honor and glory to God because it operates by faith. When we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and we are forgiven and cleansed when we confess (come clean, name it as HE names it) to Him. Giving up pleasures in our lives in order to somehow appease the anger of God over sin, kinda makes a mockery of the TRUE cost of sin - the blood of the only begotten Son of God.

I will pray for more eyes to be opened to the truth of the gospel of grace this Lenten season.

49 posted on 02/07/2013 9:21:02 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Well said!


50 posted on 02/07/2013 9:36:08 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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