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To: MeOnTheBeach; handmade; WilliamRobert; Dan(9698); All
No where in the article does it say they receive a salary.

Listen, for many Lds leaders on the take, there's no essential difference between, say $50,000 worth of annual "stipends" and a salary...For more on this, which, btw, includes 70 Lds presiding BISHOPricsS, see: How many church leaders receive a 'Stipend'

So, they are telling the truth, they are not paid. Reimbursement is paying for the goods or service first, you produce a receipt, and are given the money back as a gift in return.

Are you serious? Did you read the article? There's not a whole lot of positions where the following is taken care of 100%:

Living expenses include:
* food,
* clothing,
* household supplies,
* family activities,
* dry cleaning,
* personal long-distance calls to family,
* and modest gifts (for example, Christmas, birthdays, or anniversary).”
* support for children serving full-time missions;
* dance lessons (and the like) for elementary and secondary school-aged children as well as their school tuition, fees and books;
* undergraduate college tuition; a gardener; a housekeeper;
* internet
* utilities;
* babysitters;
* transportation expenses including the use of a car and all fuel and maintenance expenses;

That's beyond the normal "benefits" of med expenses, which are also covered 100%...and I don't know of a whole lot of "jobs" where employees don't have to pay out a co-pay for those...the "mission prez" positions involve 100% med coverage...

115 posted on 02/02/2013 2:29:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Listen, for many Lds leaders on the take, there's no essential difference between, say $50,000 worth of annual "stipends" and a salary.

I come from a corporate background. How do you know it's $50K? Or are you making that up? What is the stipend for? Is it for ecclesiastical work or is it for other things? Do they travel? Are they expected to go on the road on Church business?

If they are doing actual business work, such as building upkeep, grounds maintenance, accounting work, which is out side any ministerial work, then stipend makes sense. That's considered being considerate to those being burdened on your behalf. I see it all the time in the business world.

I followed the link you provided and read the following:

The big problem with this thread is that the leaders in question don't actually get their "stipend" from TITHING. They get it from the Churches business operations.

This doesn't support the argument you're trying to make.

That's beyond the normal

Normal by what standard? Are they some how not free to decide their own benefits?

From everything I've seen so far, I don't see the problem. They are not making a profit. It's a zero-sum-gain. They are getting reimbursed for out of pocket expenses.

So basically....when the Mormons ask someone to serve, they bend over backwards to make sure they are taken care of and not over burden by what's asked of them. That's pretty commendable. Especially when you consider how most organizations seem to treat their people these days.

It brightens me a lot to see this type of thing. Kind of reminds me of Catholic charities; Seventh Day Adventists hospitals, etc... There's still a lot of good going on out there.
116 posted on 02/02/2013 11:02:35 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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