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Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow
General audience, Benedict XVI defines the Incarnation as "something unimaginable, the face of God can be seen, the process that began with Abraham is fulfilled." The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, he asks "for the great gift" to "proclaim together that Jesus is the Savior of the world."
Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "The desire to know the face of God is in every man, even the atheists," but this desire is only realized by following Christ, in whom, in the Incarnation, "something unimaginable took place, the journey that began with Abraham is fulfilled. He is the Son, the fullness of all Revelation; the mediator who shows us the face of God. "
And "to proclaim together that Jesus is the Saviour of the world" Benedict XVI asked for incessant prayers for "the great gift" of Christian unity in the forthcoming week, which begins on the 18th of this month.
Previously, in his catechesis, he again reflected on the meaning of Christmas, in a commentary on John's Gospel in which the apostle Philip asks Jesus to show them the Father. The answer of Jesus, "introduces us to the heart of the Church's Christological faith; For the Lord says: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9).This expression summarizes the novelty of the New Testament, the novelty that appeared in the cave of Bethlehem: God can be seen, he showed his face is visible in Jesus Christ".
The theme of "seeking the face of God" is present throughout the Old Testament, so much so that the Hebrew term "face", occurs no less than 400 times, 100 of which refer to God." The of Jewish religion which the religion forbids all images, "for God can not be depicted," and "can not be reduced to an object," tells us that "God...
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Thank you Jesus.
That's about the heaviest Scripture Brick ever thrown here.
Free will is not mentioned. The word is willing or volunteering. And it's not used in the salvation experience. So those are poor examples and my assertion is not false. What you failed to respond to was how "free will" is used in salvation. Are you willing to say man comes to God on his own volition? Are you willing to say the dictionary is wrong? That is what we've heard.
Protestants need to read and understand their confessions. Don't blame me if you don't like being a Protestant. I'll stick with the confessions.
We have already seen comments on this thread that mock SS and who point to the disagreements going on here between non-Catholics to demonstrate its failure.
No, we haven't seen any disagreement on sola scriptura. What we have seen are some who believe they are so right and everyone else is so wrong that it's an absolute embarrassment. The reason the Westminster and London Baptist Confessions were written was to articulate the points of Protestantism. Somehow Protestants have this weird idea that we just drift along which is absolute nonsense. Protestantism found its systematic theology in Calvin which was transcribed into the confessions. The real issue is that Protestants are just as dumb about their teachings as Catholics are about theirs. There isn't a dog's hair width of difference between the fundamentals of Catholicism and Protestantism today. If it wasn't for that Mary thing everyone would be thanking the Pope.
Free will, after all, is a Catholic idea via Pelagius. Protestants just adapted it. That should make one think - I would hope.
Not surprising. ;O)
It’s not what I’ve heard. Not once from anyone here.
>> That should make one think - I would hope.<<
It sure does make me think. Makes me think that the focus on the label of “protestant” or “Calvinist” or whatever is taking the focus off of Christ.
Once again, Christ didn’t set up “denominations” or divisions. He called all believers worldwide the “body of Christ”. No “organization” or man between the believer and Christ. If “confessions” were needed or believed necessary by Christ or the apostles why were there none included by the Holy Spirit in scripture?
Doctrine is nothing more than teachings. How many times did Christ refer to "teachings"? The confessions are nothing more than teachings of scriptures.
Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Act 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
I understand the thought process. I was raised in a Calvinistic Reformed church. I have attended for periods the Methodist, Baptist, and other Protestant churches. It has been my observation that the “creeds”, “confessions”, and “doctrines” have replaced scripture for all too many. We were not told that the Holy Spirit would give us creeds or confessions. He was to teach us what “is written” just like Jesus stated so many times.
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. John 14:16,17
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
I understand what they are trying to do with those creeds and confessions but they are just a small step at keeping people away from scripture. God gave us scripture and the Holy Spirit to teach us when we read those scriptures. The Holy Spirit inspired those words and indwells us to teach us what they say as He sees our needs. Why do those “denominations” not believe the Holy Spirit will do His work in us?
Each step away from scripture is one more step away.
What? Ephesians 2:8-9 isn’t enough?
That’s the problem with those “creeds” and “confessions” metmom. They take away most peoples need to read and study scripture. Most think that if they recite those “creeds” and “confessions” they are good to go. It usually becomes a rote memory repetition because those “creeds” and “confessions” were not directly inspired by the Holy Spirit but are second hand compilations. No where in scripture are we promised teaching by the Holy Spirit on second hand compilations and if people rely on them and not scripture they don’t benefit from the teaching of scripture by the Holy Spirit.
Be specific - I can't help myself with what?
John 1:11-13 11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Acts 4:12 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 16:30-31 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 10:8-13 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
I would rank that one as a strategic nuclear scripture bomb.
It's time to stop that altogether and return to the issues, there's a lot of good information here for the lurkers - don't ruin it for them by making the thread "about" yourself or someone else.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
"Free will" WAS the term used by some of the Bible versions for the two different Greek words. I don't see the point of arguing over it nor the need to quibble about whether or not the verses were "poor examples". My point is simply that the term IS used in Scripture. If people can give voluntarily, if they can come and go of their own volition, if we are admonished to make choices for good, why can it not also be, to a point, how we respond to God's grace? As to how I view free will WRT salvation, I did not fail to respond at all. Perhaps you should read my response again.
Protestants need to read and understand their confessions. Don't blame me if you don't like being a Protestant. I'll stick with the confessions.
Why would I blame you for what I believe? I was born and raised in a religious system that went by catechisms and councils to come to decisions about what they believe at any given century. There was within my heart a stirring that convinced me there was something more, something I wasn't being told about, something I was missing. That stirring, of course, was the Holy Spirit and, at sixteen years old, I understood the gospel from reading John 10:27-30. I received Jesus Christ as my savior and I was baptized into a Southern Baptist Church. Several years later, God called me to go to a Bible College because I wanted to not only know what I believed but why I believed it. I crammed four years into five and a half and graduated with a B.A. in Theology/Biblical Education. So this "Protestant" isn't dumb about the faith and there is an OCEAN of difference between what I know and believe from what I once did as a Catholic.
What went on on this thread is incredibly sad to me. Over a doctrine that NO BODY can come down definitively on one side of or another, enmity and discord was spread for DAYS and hard feelings and anger was sown. Accusations were hurled and heels dug in and I could picture the devil yukking it up over it all. It was embarrassing! I purposely chose to mostly stay out and my contribution was to defend the doctrine of sola Scriptura against those who would AND will blame it for why we non-Catholics seem to be at such crossroads. I'll not get in the boxing ring over a doctrine that Scripture is not clear cut on. I'm sorry if that is unacceptable to you.
That's what I'm having a hard time with HD.I've read the postings of these guys for years.Years.So I haven't come to my opinion of them reading one or two contentious threads,especially in an area of doctrine that has been thrashed for centuries and yet there still is divide over it.
Because I've read years worth of their posts,I think it helps me to know just where they are coming from.
So to come to a thread on a highly contentious issue and hear what I am hearing about posting so-called non-sense really is disappointing to say the least.I don't quite know how to take all this.Obviously it could simply mean that CB and MM are cultic numbskulls and I'm an even bigger dupe for listening to them.
Obviously I do NOT think that for one second and I don't consider myself an idiot who believes non-sense either (though I suppose that will remain to be seen)I'm fairly certain of where they are coming from after many years of reading here.
Don't know what else to say,you're dissappointed,I'm disappointed.Sadly,this thread is just making me mad and I can't help thinking I aint the only one.
For some here that is like asking a leopard to change its spots.
To assist in that endeavor I will once again make my exit stage right. Hopefully I won't have to come back here to defend my honor... again.
Grace,
Marlowe
I did not pull the offensive post per your request. Since you intend to leave the thread anyway, do you want it removed?
No, leave them all. Especially the one where I was called Satan. The ultimate nuclear scripture bomb. That was a keeper. :-)
Grace,
Marlowe
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