You wrote:
“I am not going to do a research paper for you,”
I can barely stop laughing at the very idea of that.
“you know the Bible was forbidden to be translated/owned/read at various time and in various places by the RC Church,”
False. Also, when you write “you know” you’re doing what’s called “mind reading”. “Mind reading” is considered a form of “making it personal” by the moderators.
“which was wrong. I acknowledge they no longer do that, but you don’t want to give me credit for that acknowledgement,”
Why would I give you credit for being wrong about history in saying the Church did what it never did?
“just to accuse me of making it up because it makes you (justifiably) uncomfortable. Have some Council of Toulouse, I could do this all day, but here:”
Toulouse is not the Catholic Church. It is a region in France and its council was only regional and in no way spoke for the Catholic Church in law, theology, or practice outside of Toulouse. Thus, no matter what the Council of Toulouse decided it had no effect upon, and did not represent, the whole Catholic Church. That’s just a fact. Also, the council was acting as it did because of the depredations of Albigensians. They used a translation of the Bible which they corrupted with their teachings. Thus, the Bible itself, and even the Bible in the vernacular, was actually never banned by the Catholic Church. Banning an Albigensian translation - which was clearly the intent - was not a banning of the Bible. Restricting translations for a short time - and that’s what happened in Toulouse - and there’s no evidence it was even stringently enforced - is simply not evidnece of a general banning of the Bible. If Baptists said they wanted no Baptist to use the NWT, it would not be a banning of the Bible because the NWT is corrupted scripture used by Christ deniers (just like the Albigensians did).
“As for innocent infants, yes, they do not commit actual sin, so far as I can detect, but they have original sin, and are thus sadly sinners, otherwise why baptize them? Of course they are sinners, if only by birth.”
There are two problems here. For one thing you said: “Only Jesus never sinned.” Thus, you implied everyone sins, but now you’re contradicting yourself and saying babies don’t sin. Which is? Were you wrong the first time or now? Make up your mind. Also, do you believe baptism washes away sin? That’s what you’re implying when you wrote: “otherwise why baptize them?” So, do you believe baptism washes away sin?
“The church itself can indeed sin, it is a group of people, just like nations can sin and etc.”
So you’re saying the Bride has spot and wrinkle despite what the Bible says? Of course you are. Leave it to a Protestant anti-Catholic to contradict the Bible.
“I would love to believe that, but, your vitriol particularly against the very holy martyrs calls that into question.”
I have not posted any vitriol against any martyr - EVER. I do not confuse heretics and schismatics were martyrs.
You apparently do.
Vladimer, you have drunk so much kool aid.
Ok.
“There are two problems here. For one thing you said: “Only Jesus never sinned.” Thus, you implied everyone sins, but now you’re contradicting yourself and saying babies don’t sin. Which is”
It is the Bible which says ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. He does not exclude infants. I know this, because I read my Bible. Even though the RC Church didn’t want low lifes such as myself to, for a good period of time.
Ok, so you don’t know. You have read your own history and confessions and bulls and whatnot and have blocked it out. Ok. Mea culpa. You are ignorant of the official RC church, its officials, its councils, etc., forbidding and persecuting to the point of killing those who dared to distribute Bibles in the common language to the regular people. How sad.
And you disown the Council of Toulouse. Oh, sure, it was an official Roman Catholic body, but, since it doesn’t fit the agenda, you drop it. I could bring up plenty more, but why bother? You will dismiss any truth that makes you uncomfortable.
“So you’re saying the Bride has spot and wrinkle despite what the Bible says? Of course you are. “ No. I confess that the Bride has no spot or wrinkle. Why? Because she does not sin? No, because she had been washed in the blood of the lamb. She is not sinless because she is perfect. She is sinless because He is perfect. Makes all the difference in the world.
The martyrs are those who faithfully proclaimed the Word and suffered and/or were put to death for it. Wycliffe suffered. Tyndale suffered and died. The Huguenots of France, Walter Mill of Scotland, the two Margarets of Scotland, drowned in the sea! And countless others, many listed and recorded and remembered in Foxe’s AND other histories - and no amount of putting your fingers in your ears and saying “la, la, la” is going to change that.
Why defend evil? Promote what is good and right. God was not pleased with this wickedness.
I don’t hold you personally responsible for the evil. But I do hold you responsible for denying and/or defending it.