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To: vladimir998

I already posted the excerpt from the Council of Trent.

Should I show you the martyr’s testimony written in blood on a wall, you would not believe it. You have made an idol of a particular organized church, and will not believe it has ever, as an institution, sinned. You dismiss all evidence as false, given by hundreds of witnesses, written records, and ancient history. All to preserve the idolatry which has its grip on you. You defend the exhumation and burning of a man who committed no crime, etc.

The Inquisition was real. The martyrdom recorded in Foxe’s and other histories is real.

Only Jesus never sinned.

You should repent.


151 posted on 08/10/2012 10:40:47 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

You wrote:

“I already posted the excerpt from the Council of Trent.”

In post 31 you posted a quote from anti-Catholics which they lied about coming from the Council of Trent. No such quote appears in the documents of Trent. The Council of Trent did not do what your bogus quote claimed it did. But why let facts and truth get in the way of a juicy anti-Catholic fantasy, right?

“Should I show you the martyr’s testimony written in blood on a wall, you would not believe it.”

I believe the truth. I have no reason to believe you can discern what the truth is when you’re fooled so easily by bogus made up quotes from anti-Catholics.

“You have made an idol of a particular organized church, and will not believe it has ever, as an institution, sinned.”

First of all, I do not worship the Church, so it is no idol to me. I do know what the Church is, however, and as the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ, it has never sinned. It can’t. People in it certainly can, but the Church itself cannot. Have you decided to just make things up out of thin air now about me?

“You dismiss all evidence as false, given by hundreds of witnesses, written records, and ancient history.”

False. I correctly interpret evidence, and quite frankly, I actually know that evidence. I have no reason to believe you know that evidence because you demonstrated so early on that you were easily fooled by phony, made-up, bogus non-evidence.

“All to preserve the idolatry which has its grip on you.”

Again, I have no idols. I worship the Trinity alone. What you’re doing, of course, falls in line with what I said Protestant anti-Catholics always do: “When that fails...the Protestant anti-Catholic will always either resort to, 1) simply making things up out of thin air - things which are, in fact, logically impossible - while claiming all along those things are based squarely on the Catholic’s beliefs, posts, comments, etc.”

So, there you, claiming I have an idol when I do not. Once again we see a Protestant anti-Catholic making things up out of thin air, making completely bogus charges. This also proves my earlier point that Protestant anti-Cathoics are predictible in their prejudice.

“You defend the exhumation and burning of a man who committed no crime, etc.”

First, Wycliffe HAD COMMITTED a crime. The crime was heresy. You might not like that fact, but it is undeniable that heresy was against the secular law in the 14th century. Second, the man was never burned. His bones were burned. Third, if the burning of his remains got across to anyone that Hell awaited thos who spread heresy without repentance in an age without modern communications, no TV, no newspapers, etc., I’ll sleep just fine tonight. In the Middle Ages, and even in much more modern times, we do things even with the dead to make a point. Hence, Joe Paterno had the last 14 or so years of victories stricken from his win tally by the NCAA. Paterno’s dead. The NCAA made it clear it was doing this not so much as punishment of Paterno (and since he’s dead this can’t be punishment of Paterno anyway) but it was done as a warning to others.

“The Inquisition was real.”

Yes, it was. But Protestant anti-Catholic fantasies about it are not. I have researched the inquisition in detail. I have colleagues who are urging me to publish a book on it in fact, but I don’t know if I have the time to produce it. Most likely you’ve never read a single reputable article or book on it. Not one, right? And I will be the first one to stipulate that there were excesses committed by inquisitors and we certainly wouldn’t want one just like it existed centuries ago. What I don’t do is make things up - as Protestant anti-Cathoics so often do.

“The martyrdom recorded in Foxe’s and other histories is real.”

Actually many of those Foxe lists and discusses were not martyrs at all. They were merely heretics and schismatics. Foxe’s book was propaganda. That’s why it was officially endorsed by the Protestant anti-Catholic state-church government of England.

“Only Jesus never sinned.”

Can a seven month old baby sin? What if that baby dies in the 8th month? Was that baby a sinner?

“You should repent.”

I repent of what I have done wrong - but that includes nothing in this thread. Have you repented for posting a completely bogus quote that appears nowhere in Trent? Have you repented for allowing yourself to be so easily fooled by it? Apparently not.

And what you did there falls in line with what I wrote earlier:

“...making a parting shot which strongly implies either that the Protestant is a better person...”


154 posted on 08/11/2012 5:47:31 AM PDT by vladimir998
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