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To: MarkBsnr

“I say that it is up to the Magisterium.”

That’s a very interesting statement. You appear to be referring to the current magisterium as opposed to the eternal Magisterium, as if the former trumps the latter whenever there is obvious conflict between the two.

And please don’t try to tell me there isn’t conflict between the two.

“Extra Ecclesiam nulla sallus” will be my first rebuttal to your defense, if any, of the current magisterium and its teachings.


22 posted on 07/20/2012 7:00:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
That’s a very interesting statement. You appear to be referring to the current magisterium as opposed to the eternal Magisterium, as if the former trumps the latter whenever there is obvious conflict between the two.

Since the current Magisterium is the portion of the eternal Magisterium that occurs now, they are one and the same. No conflict.

And please don’t try to tell me there isn’t conflict between the two.

There isn't.

“Extra Ecclesiam nulla sallus” will be my first rebuttal to your defense, if any, of the current magisterium and its teachings.

Very good. I will point to the current feeble state of the Feeneyites and their warring factions as a first riposte. If they were the one true and traditional Catholic Church, they would not have broken down so quickly into internecine warfare.

Secondly, we have the words of Paul in Timothy 2:4 in which he says that God wills that all men be saved. Not all men who have died are within the Catholic Church - indeed many have never heard of it, or else have dismissed it. Is that God's fault or ours - who have been charged with evangelizing the world?

Am I a Universalist? Nope. There will be many who will be thrown into the everlasting fire based upon their own particular Judgement.

However, there is the hope of salvation. Aborted babies are rarely baptized before they are murdered. Are they within the Catholic Church? Are they condemned to hell because their mothers decided to have them dismembered alive and sucked into a sink?

Don't know. I ask God for mercy upon them, as I do for myself. Lord knows that I deserve eternal punishment a whole lot more than an innocent baby. How about a Protestant or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist baby that is aborted. Do you think that they go to eternal hellfire?

We hold out the hope to which St Paul constantly writes, about our salvation. Do you have hope or do you subscribe to OSAS? Or predestination to Heaven or Hell?

25 posted on 07/20/2012 7:26:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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