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To: ebb tide
That’s a very interesting statement. You appear to be referring to the current magisterium as opposed to the eternal Magisterium, as if the former trumps the latter whenever there is obvious conflict between the two.

Since the current Magisterium is the portion of the eternal Magisterium that occurs now, they are one and the same. No conflict.

And please don’t try to tell me there isn’t conflict between the two.

There isn't.

“Extra Ecclesiam nulla sallus” will be my first rebuttal to your defense, if any, of the current magisterium and its teachings.

Very good. I will point to the current feeble state of the Feeneyites and their warring factions as a first riposte. If they were the one true and traditional Catholic Church, they would not have broken down so quickly into internecine warfare.

Secondly, we have the words of Paul in Timothy 2:4 in which he says that God wills that all men be saved. Not all men who have died are within the Catholic Church - indeed many have never heard of it, or else have dismissed it. Is that God's fault or ours - who have been charged with evangelizing the world?

Am I a Universalist? Nope. There will be many who will be thrown into the everlasting fire based upon their own particular Judgement.

However, there is the hope of salvation. Aborted babies are rarely baptized before they are murdered. Are they within the Catholic Church? Are they condemned to hell because their mothers decided to have them dismembered alive and sucked into a sink?

Don't know. I ask God for mercy upon them, as I do for myself. Lord knows that I deserve eternal punishment a whole lot more than an innocent baby. How about a Protestant or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist baby that is aborted. Do you think that they go to eternal hellfire?

We hold out the hope to which St Paul constantly writes, about our salvation. Do you have hope or do you subscribe to OSAS? Or predestination to Heaven or Hell?

25 posted on 07/20/2012 7:26:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

The Magisterium should condemn the liberal interpretations of the so-called “liberty of conscience” just like it condemned Feeneyism, because both are contrary to the Holy Tradition.


28 posted on 07/20/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Aborted babies are rarely baptized before they are murdered.”

How do you baptize an unborn baby? Secondly, you should have no concern about whether that baby was baptized or not since the current “magisterium” (as Cardinal Ratzinger) has dissed the idea of Limbo of the Unborn. Makes it much easier for a mother to murder her child thinking he’ll go straight to Heaven rather than Limbo, since Limbo doesn’t exist.

Do you not think this recent, and new, teaching of the magisterium has led to abortions, that would not have occurred otherwise without the above encouragement that all unborn babies go to Heaven?


31 posted on 07/20/2012 7:52:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: MarkBsnr
“Not all men who have died are within the Catholic Church - indeed many have never heard of it, or else have dismissed it. Is that God's fault or ours - who have been charged with evangelizing the world?”

That's the big problem, Mark. It is "our (Catholics) fault". Rome has stopped evangelizing, let alone prosletizing. She is now dialoguing and (believe it or not) still searching for some unseen "truth" along with protestants, muslims, hindus, etc. that has not yet been found.

34 posted on 07/20/2012 8:07:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: MarkBsnr
How about a Protestant or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist baby that is aborted. Do you think that they go to eternal hellfire?

There's no difference between them. None will go to Hell.

Their parents might, however!

37 posted on 07/20/2012 9:37:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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