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To: fabian

Ummm....so according to your understanding of salvation, the Apostle Paul was not saved.

Otherwise how do you explain Romans 7:15?


23 posted on 07/12/2012 12:54:51 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican; fabian
Otherwise how do you explain Romans 7:15?

Quite simply, Romans Chapter 7 describes the plight and condition of a man becoming aware of his sinfulness as God seeds his life and then earnestly struggling against that sin with all his might, with the emphasis on his human might, until he grows weary and understands that he cannot change any of the sinfulness of his life that he is undone and he needs a savior.

In order to truly understand in context Romans Chapter 7, you have to read Romans chapter 8:1-16 as those scripture verses show that this same man now turns to Christ as his Savior and believes the Gospel and submits to Gods plan of salvation. As Romans Chapter 8 shows, that man who was once struggling with his sin is now free of that struggle because the Grace of God has no taken over and control of his life and God seals this Change of the heart of this sinner with a witness of his Holy Spirit to his spirit that he is a child of God.

This is the real power of the Gospel, both the forgiveness and the power to sin no more as long as we remain by faith trusting in Jesus Christ. Without this, our Christianity is nothing more than a mere religion no better than any other religion. With this, the promise contained in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is attained, the salvation of men's soul.


Romans 8:1-16

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
25 posted on 07/12/2012 5:42:28 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: The Unknown Republican

Not by Paul’s doing, but by God’s doing.


48 posted on 07/12/2012 9:59:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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