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Ex-Pastor Turned American Atheist Director Tells How She Lost Faith
Christian Post ^ | 07/12/2012 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 07/12/2012 9:34:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A former Methodist worship and teaching pastor who served in ministry for 20 years before becoming an atheist has been appointed as the American Atheist's public relations director. In an interview with The Christian Post, she revealed that despite initially being ostracized by friends, she is now happy and at peace with her decision.

"No it was very, very gradual. Actually there's not really one single moment where I can look back and say ah, that was the moment. It was kind of a slow progression," Teresa MacBain shared about her loss of faith with CP in a phone interview on Tuesday.

After leaving her ministry earlier this year, MacBain, a Florida resident, also served as executive director of the Clergy Project, which offers support to former clergy members who have lost their faith and become secularists.

"My husband and kids were fine, they knew that things had changed for me, but extended family, I lost those relationships. I lost all of my friendships except for one couple. I have one maybe from the church that I'm still in contact with, but initially they were all just very angry. They locked me out of the church and it took me some months to collect my belongings. It was a very difficult situation," MacBain explained about reaction to her initial announcement.

There were those from the church who tried to reach out and speak to her, but those discussions did not go far.

"One pastor that was a former colleague of mine did reach out immediately and I went and sat down and talked to him. He discussed everything and let me share. It was kind of an intense conversation, but after that I haven't heard from that person anymore. I'm not really sure, I guess he just wanted to find some answers," she said.

Unable to point to one specific incident that made her change her mind about God and the Bible, MacBain chronicled the train of thought that led her from the Christian faith to her secularist reasoning today.

"It's just theological. I had no problems with the church or the structure or the organization. There are basically four steps that occurred over a long period of time. One was the contradictory nature of the Bible; the lack of scientific or historical foundation or accuracy, which took me a very, very long time to come to terms with. That was the starting point I guess when I realized that that wasn't true, that the Bible wasn't true. From there I moved to thinking about all of the religions in the world and how people basically associate, in most cases, with one religion or another based upon their own culture and how they were raised," she said.

"So I kind of moved into a position where I thought that all religions were equally valid and that it kind of depended on who you were and how you were raised but that we were all on the same journey. From there I moved to the question of the existence of hell and trying to understand how a supreme being could create humans that according to the Christian Bible are very weak and finite, as compared to God. How that creature, being, entity, whatever you want to call it, could punish them eternally in such a horrible and torturous place as hell. So that was kind of a third discovery."

While the former teaching pastor confessed that often during her ministry she had doubts about her faith, now as an atheist she feels more secure about her views in life.

"I feel secure. I feel peaceful. I just kind of clarified the doubts. All the while I was having those doubts and trying to struggle with those issues, I always felt that it would make me a stronger Christian. That it would make me a better pastor. It wasn't until it really hit home for me, where I was at, that I realized that instead of that I had actually grown much further away from my faith to the point of I no longer had faith."

In her new position as public relations director for American Atheists, which is one of the largest secularist organizations in the U.S., she says that her main goal is to defend First Amendment rights and continue fighting for the separation of church and state.

"I think one of the misunderstandings about what the term atheist means is that all of us think we're 100 percent certain that no one can change our minds about the belief in God, which isn't completely accurate. An atheist as far as what I believe means that we don't see any evidence; we don't think there is a God. We're very skeptical about it and choose to live our lives without God," MacBain said.

"Instead of looking to an outside source for the solution to humankind's problems, we see that responsibility as [our own]. We have to reach out and support each other. We can't say a prayer to an invisible being somewhere and expect that to be the solution. The solution has to be when one human reaches out to another."

The Clergy Project, with which MacBain serves in a voluntary role, was created in March 2011 as a private, invitation only, website for "for active and former clergy who do not hold supernatural beliefs." Starting with 52 members, it now has more than 300 members, according to the website.

-- CP reporter Brittney R. Villalva contributed to this report.


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Terea MacBain appointed as public relations director for American Atheists poses for this undated pho
1 posted on 07/12/2012 9:34:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Did she ever really believe in Jesus?


2 posted on 07/12/2012 9:39:11 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

Good way to cancel out any validity in her story. No way to really tell.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 9:43:49 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think she ever had FAITH to begin with. She has no true religious insight. The worst part of it is the effect on her immediate family - really bad.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 9:45:17 AM PDT by marychesnutfan
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To: SeekAndFind

In light of scripture’s teachings against women assuming a public role in congregational worship (cf I Corinthians 14 & I Timothy 2), her faith couldn’t have been too Bible based anyway. That’s the problem. Once Christians, quasi Christians and pseudo Christians start ignoring plain Bible teaching, there is no logical stopping point.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 9:47:50 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: lurk

Psalm 14:1
“The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.”

I’d say that about covers this one!


6 posted on 07/12/2012 9:47:59 AM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

—One was the contradictory nature of the Bible;—

IOW, she had no personal relationship with Christ. The Bible is not the foundation of the relationship. It enhances it.

Do I stop believing my wife exists if I find apparent contradictions in her diary?


7 posted on 07/12/2012 9:50:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: lurk

—Did she ever really believe in Jesus?—

This.

I’ve read stories of long time servers in the ministry, some even relatively famous that completely gave up the faith. The real question is, “did they REALLY believe, or were they just going along with something that seemed to make sense - at first”.


8 posted on 07/12/2012 9:51:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She gives the appearance of a tolerant and reasonable person. However history has shown that when people like her (former religous people turned athiest)obtain power they can become nasty terrible people. The Mexican, Russian. and Cuban revolutions were full of born again athiests who tortured and killed the people they had once worshipped with and even their own families. It will be interesting to follow her career.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 9:53:07 AM PDT by allendale
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To: lurk
Did she ever really believe in Jesus?

I would guess, no.

10 posted on 07/12/2012 10:01:23 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: SeekAndFind

“she is now happy and at peace with her decision.”

She will be until she faces Christ at the White Throne Judgment.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 10:04:31 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
This woman's story is not unique but it does high light the reason one’s understanding, and therefore faith, of the Scriptures needs to be based upon an accurate knowledge and not falsehood.

How many people have wrestled with the notion that the God that Jesus worshiped would torture people for eons and that after setting up them up for failure and such things.

But this was a pastor, a shepherd and as such had a responsibility not just for their own faith but those she taught to vigorously seek out the truth of the Bible and it is evident this simply never took place.

A soldier who doesn't practice constantly with their sword soon looses its protection.

12 posted on 07/12/2012 10:06:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Instead of looking to an outside source for the solution to humankind's problems, we see that responsibility as [our own]. We have to reach out and support each other. We can't say a prayer to an invisible being somewhere and expect that to be the solution. The solution has to be when one human reaches out to another."

Sounds like she had a flawed notion of God from the beginning. God isn't there to 'solve our problems'. He made us rational beings to do that for ourselves. However, if we have no moral underpinnings for our actions, our problems will never be solved.

I guess she needs to ask herself, in the absence of some sort of morality, which is, at its base, religious teaching of some sort, how are humans supposed to 'reach out to each other', and solve any of our problems in a just manner?

13 posted on 07/12/2012 10:11:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SeekAndFind
A former Methodist worship and teaching pastor who served in ministry for 20 years before becoming an atheist has been appointed as the American Atheist's public relations director. In an interview with The Christian Post, she revealed that despite initially being ostracized by friends, she is now happy and at peace with her decision.

Probably had a lot to do with the fact that she was acting directly contrary to God's Word.

14 posted on 07/12/2012 10:14:15 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: lurk

She didn’t say much about Him, did she? She used the word “Christian” but never used the word “Christ”.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 10:14:33 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: cuban leaf

I suspect Mizz MacBain’s problem wasn’t so much that the Bible is “contradictory,” but that it was contradicting HER.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 10:16:57 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Ex-Pastor....tells how she..."

Nothing left to explain....."she" doesn't believe anything in the bible if "she" thinks "she's" ever qualified to be a pastor.

17 posted on 07/12/2012 10:17:18 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: marychesnutfan
I agree completely. I never could understand how anyone who comes to the conclusion that the Lord Jesus is the Son of God and builds a love relation with Him, could ever find or imagine ANYTHING that would dissolve that relationship.
18 posted on 07/12/2012 10:17:47 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: DarthVader

There’s the money shot. Hope she wakes up.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:17-18&version=KJV

John 3:17-18

King James Version (KJV)

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:9-11&version=KJV

Revelation 14:9-11

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020:11-12&version=KJV

Revelation 20:11-12

King James Version (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


19 posted on 07/12/2012 10:19:29 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The solution has to be when one human reaches out to another.”

Name me one atheistic charity.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 10:19:32 AM PDT by Country Gal (May your relationship with Christ be more important than your religion.)
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To: F15Eagle

She sounds like an agnostic to me, not an atheist.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 10:44:42 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: count-your-change

An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. -John Buchan

An atheist is a man who looks through a telescope and tries to explain what he can’t see. -O.A. Battista

If there was no God, there would be no atheists. -G.K. Chesterton


22 posted on 07/12/2012 10:44:59 AM PDT by batmast (All the world's a stage...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ominous warning for such found in Heb 6:4-6:

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


23 posted on 07/12/2012 10:50:17 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like adolescent rebellion to me:
1. Who are you to tell me what to do? (Bible has no scientific proof, and that’s the only type of authority I approve of).
2. You are no better than anybody else (Christianity is the same as all the other religions.)
3. You can’t make me obey. (There is no hell.)

If you aren’t humble, you aren’t teachable. She thought she knew better than silly old ancient people. She is now without any tools in her spiritual toolbox for dealing with the vicissitudes of life, because she did not recognize what they were and what they were for.

Hope this is temporary. Sometimes God gives people another opportunity to repent.


24 posted on 07/12/2012 11:09:24 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe there are several points she brings out, but
I note she does believe in herself.

The following considerations could be appled in her case.

1) Her own minds ability to understand everything(see
quantum theory for the scientists approach to this issue—
e.g.- how can one thing be in two places at the same time,)
what happens if she has a stroke and goes blind, does that
mean nothing exists cuz she can’t see them? (I.e. can your
mind really understand all that there is? If the God of the
Bible is bigger than science, does it make sense that one
could understand Him?

2) The Bible needs to have scientific credulity. As far
as I have seen, many of the things I was taught in my science
classes are now considered false. Sometimes science needs
to have credulity also(see neutrinos faster than light
announcement)

3) Historical credulity of the Bible. Many events, peoples,
geographies were once considered false, but things have
been discovered which can verify their existence.
(example: the existence some of the peoples mentioned in the Bible are
finally being discovered(e.g. Hittites). Recent discovery of mention of
David , a King of a small kingdom, in an ancient inscription)
perhaps the mines of Solomon have been found, etc...

4) Plain old unbelief. In one of his parables, the Christ
did say that if people didn’t believe Moses and the Prophets,
they wouldn’t believe a story, even if the dead came back
to life and told them that story.

5) Fear of believing in Christ. This was exhibited even by
his own close followers(disciples)

6) The person of Christ. If he is a myth, who constructed
the myth? But if he did , indeed, rise from the dead, he
is worth believing(putting ones complete trust) in.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 11:17:43 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe there are several points she brings out, but
I note she does believe in herself.

The following considerations could be appled in her case.

1) Her own minds ability to understand everything(see
quantum theory for the scientists approach to this issue—
e.g.- how can one thing be in two places at the same time,)
what happens if she has a stroke and goes blind, does that
mean nothing exists cuz she can’t see them? (I.e. can your
mind really understand all that there is? If the God of the
Bible is bigger than science, does it make sense that one
could understand Him?

2) The Bible needs to have scientific credulity. As far
as I have seen, many of the things I was taught in my science
classes are now considered false. Sometimes science needs
to have credulity also(see neutrinos faster than light
announcement)

3) Historical credulity of the Bible. Many events, peoples,
geographies were once considered false, but things have
been discovered which can verify their existence.
(example: the existence some of the peoples mentioned in the Bible are
finally being discovered(e.g. Hittites). Recent discovery of mention of
David , a King of a small kingdom, in an ancient inscription)
perhaps the mines of Solomon have been found, etc...

4) Plain old unbelief. In one of his parables, the Christ
did say that if people didn’t believe Moses and the Prophets,
they wouldn’t believe a story, even if the dead came back
to life and told them that story.

5) Fear of believing in Christ. This was exhibited even by
his own close followers(disciples)

6) The person of Christ. If he is a myth, who constructed
the myth? But if he did , indeed, rise from the dead, he
is worth believing(putting ones complete trust) in.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 11:19:58 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: cuban leaf

No. First of all you can see and talk to your wife. Second weather or not your wife’s diary contained lies does not have any bearing on her existence. That is a silly analogy.

Maybe this woman is wrong and maybe she is right. I applaud her for standing on her own judgement. She has looked at the evidence and come to a different conclusion, that’s all.


27 posted on 07/12/2012 12:03:51 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: albionin

—No. First of all you can see and talk to your wife. Second weather or not your wife’s diary contained lies does not have any bearing on her existence. That is a silly analogy.—

You are correct. I didn’t go into detail. The background is that I can’t see my wife and I’m permanently stranded on a desert island and have nothing but my birthday suit. And the natives have never had contact with mankind outside the island.

If they refuse to believe she exists I have nothing to offer as proof. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t exist though.

If this woman truly rejects God it means she was never a Christian in the first place.


28 posted on 07/12/2012 12:09:28 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: albionin

—No. First of all you can see and talk to your wife. Second weather or not your wife’s diary contained lies does not have any bearing on her existence. That is a silly analogy.—

You are correct. I didn’t go into detail. The background is that I can’t see my wife and I’m permanently stranded on a desert island and have nothing but my birthday suit. And the natives have never had contact with mankind outside the island.

If they refuse to believe she exists I have nothing to offer as proof. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t exist though.

If this woman truly rejects God it means she was never a Christian in the first place.


29 posted on 07/12/2012 12:10:04 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SuziQ

I think you identified a key clue to the problem here. Reminds me of the hologram in I Robot that made it clear he was asking the wrong question.


30 posted on 07/12/2012 12:15:46 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: albionin

I really should have responded more precisely to your response.

You said “First of all you can see and talk to your wife.”

That is why I used the analogy. I have a personal relationship with her, as I do with Christ. I also have four bonefide miracles in my life. I’m not talking about the “normal coincidences” that are answers to prayer. I’m talking about the supernatural stuff. And for anyone other than me they are second hand and therefore of little value.

You said, “Second weather or not your wife’s diary contained lies does not have any bearing on her existence.”

I agree. And that is my point. And also, I very carefully inserted the word “apparent” in my original post. It is because I was implying that just because I think something is an inconsistency does not mean it is. I got this story from an email just today. It makes the point:

WALKING THE DOG

A WOMAN was flying from Melbourne to Brisbane .
Unexpectedly, the plane was diverted to Sydney along the way.

The flight attendant explained that there would be a delay,
and if the passengers wanted to get off the aircraft
the plane would re-board in 50 minutes.

Everybody got off the plane except one lady who was blind.

A man had noticed her as he walked by
and could tell the lady was blind because her guide dog lay quietly
underneath the seats in front of her throughout the entire flight.

He could also tell she had flown this very flight before because the pilot
approached her and calling her by name, said, ‘Kathy, we are in Sydney for almost an hour.
Would you like to get off and stretch your legs?’
The blind lady replied, ‘No thanks, but maybe Buddy would like to stretch his legs.’

Picture this:
All the people in the gate area came to a complete standstill
when they looked up and saw the pilot walk off the plane
with a Guide dog!
The pilot was even wearing sunglasses.

People scattered.

They not only tried to change planes, but they were trying to change airlines!


31 posted on 07/12/2012 12:22:03 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: albionin

The point of that story is that things are not always as they appear.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 12:22:41 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder what “contradictions” she failed to reconcile. I also wonder what difficulties with science and history she encountered.

Perhaps she was poorly equipped to be in a position of leadership and the accompanying battle strain proved to be too great for her ability to handle the shield of faith and the sword of the spirit.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 12:28:27 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: cuban leaf

“There are thirty-two ways to write a story, and I’ve used every one, but there is only one plot — things are not as they seem.” — Jim Thompson


34 posted on 07/12/2012 12:30:00 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: cuban leaf

True. It does not mean that she does not exist. It also means they would have no objective way of knowing she exists and would have to take your word for it. Then imagine a different scenario. You don’t speak of your wife at all but instead tell them that they are evil by nature because someone a long time ago did something to fall from the grace of some god. For this they are to be punished unless they take your word for it that this god exists and that they are not worthy and can never do anything to be worthy of living and the only way to live is to admit their guilt and ask for forgiveness and serve this God, whose purpose they are not to question because their human reasoning minds are impudent to know reality and to deal with it. And if they don’t believe they will die. Then suppose in this analogy you are not stark naked but have a single possession; a two thousand year old book which claims to be the only truth. There are some logical problems with the premises of the book but you tell them that faith is superior to their feeble reasoning ability and that those parts that don’t seem to make sense must be accepted on faith. And if they don’t accept them on faith they will die.

Can you not see that a rational person could look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion.


35 posted on 07/12/2012 12:36:00 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: cuban leaf
Do I stop believing my wife exists if I find apparent contradictions in her diary?

This statement accepts the premise that there are contradictions in the Bible.

36 posted on 07/12/2012 1:11:07 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

—This statement accepts the premise that there are contradictions in the Bible.—

I very carefully included the word “apparent”. It was quite deliberate. :-)


37 posted on 07/12/2012 1:24:05 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah, I gotcha.

I’m just flabbergasted by this. She seems to have turned her back on God b/c she was too lazy to research her own questions and doubts. I had similar questions, and I did some homework to see what the deal was. My research cleared up my questions. End of story. Now she gets to be empty and pretend like she’s just fine while doing her best to remove God from other people’s lives so as to make them as miserable as she is.


38 posted on 07/12/2012 1:42:49 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure this happens with some degree of regularity. Just as I’m sure that the opposite happens ... with far greater frequency. So why is it that the one is reported but the other gets short shrift?


39 posted on 07/12/2012 2:03:10 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: albionin

I would not so glibly ‘applaud’ a persons choice to accept hell.


40 posted on 07/12/2012 2:16:25 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby

I don’t accept your premise that she has accepted hell. I am not applauding her glibly either.


41 posted on 07/12/2012 3:04:43 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She was never saved in the first place. The proof of Christianity is the Salvation itself. I left atheism and became a Christian when Christ Saved me, not when I figured it all out. I still can’t figure it all out.

All the external proof in the world is insufficient.


42 posted on 07/12/2012 3:08:58 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SeekAndFind
1Jn 2:19-20 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.

Trading one false faith for another.

43 posted on 07/12/2012 6:04:05 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: AppyPappy

Theology studies for a lot of Christians these days, is an academic mental exercise, devoid of the mystical or spiritual aspect of actually relating to and experiencing God.

The mental exercises are provided in atheist (social Marxist)institutions with theology programs that are actually hostile to the moral and mystical aspects of the Bible and the spiritual aspects of life and man. In these institutions obedience is only accepted as it applies to being obedient to the institution’s political correctness and that obedience is set up to directly conflict with obedience to the God of the Bible.

I have heard many times from people who come out of Theology schools with less faith and experience of God than when they went in. They no longer believe the Bible is true because they have had to twist themselves around humanist institutions.

As you said, being saved is not a mental exercise. But becoming a pastor is a mental exercise requiring allegence to a social beleif structure and value structure in opposition to the Bible. This might explain what has happened to the spiritual experience of our churches.

I hope all the atheist ministers come out of the churches like this woman did. They are torturing the faith and Godly power of the churches and people.


44 posted on 07/12/2012 10:08:26 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind
Didn't read any further than this. She Lost Faith
45 posted on 07/12/2012 10:15:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SaraJohnson

And she pretty much says “I was a liar and a fraud but you can trust me”.


46 posted on 07/13/2012 5:18:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SeekAndFind

Her “theological” analysis is notably trivial. Based on her description, she was influenced by all the common, pop-culture, cliched and debunked arguments.


47 posted on 07/13/2012 5:24:26 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: SeekAndFind

“One was the contradictory nature of the Bible; the lack of scientific or historical foundation or accuracy, which took me a very, very long time to come to terms with.”

The only logical conclusion from this is that it took her such a long time that she didn’t have a chance to check the historical record or the forensic evidence.


48 posted on 07/13/2012 5:27:35 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: cuban leaf

But the best intellectual analysis of Christian doctrine tells us that the doctrine makes more sense than not.


49 posted on 07/13/2012 5:31:59 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith

—But the best intellectual analysis of Christian doctrine tells us that the doctrine makes more sense than not.—

I agree in a backhanded way, and agree with C. S. Lewis when he says that if Christianity is man made, whoever “made” it was nuts. It doesn’t have the fingerprints of man.

One example: In the culture of Jesus’ time, if you’re gonna make up your guy rising from the dead, it’s idiotic to use women as the witnesses.


50 posted on 07/13/2012 5:36:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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