Posted on 07/04/2012 3:22:07 PM PDT by damonw
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"Is the Bible as violent as the Koran? The answer is YES, if you talk to many Muslims and Liberals. But is it really? The following is short discussion I had with a liberal about the subject. I hope to show you that it is not and that all non-Muslims should be uniting and working against Islam, not only because it is an institution that is a Human Rights nightmare, but because Islam really does have the submission of the whole world to Islam as it’s goal.
When you bring up the Koran or Hadith, many scream context context context,, claiming that if read in their proper context, they really don’t say what they say – so it’s all good, just relax.
Dr. Mark Durie (author of The Third Choice) confronts this misconception in his article,, A Dozen Bad Ideas for the 21st Century and says “8. The belief that putting something in context will always produce a more innocuous interpretation. This is not true. Attending properly to context can make a text even more offensive than it would otherwise have been. Conversely, if you take something out of context you may regard it more positively than you ought to. In reality, radical interpretations of the Qur’an, such as are used to support terrorism, almost always involve an appeal to a rich understanding of the context in which the Qur’an was revealed, including the life of Muhammad. On the other hand, many have taken peaceful verses of the Qur’an out of context, in order to prove that Islam is a peaceful religion”.
(Excerpt) Read more at thereligionofconquest.info ...
I think my responses in the exchange below do a fairly good job of showing that if put in their proper context, the Bible does not say what many who wish to obfuscate with false moral equivalences want it to say, and the Koran says and means what many people fervently hope and pray that it does not really say and mean. For many, the obvious, when looking into the context, is just too much to bear – so we have a generation with their heads in the sand.
SOME PREFACING
I have been spending much of my time at Eric Allen Bells’ Facebook page and new website for the past month or so. You may not know him yet, but he is a liberal film maker and writer who had a drastic change of view about Islam, and much of everything else, as a result of doing a documentary on the mega-mosque in Murfreesboro Tennessee. For Eric, the impetus to look at Islam again was a conversation he had with a Christian Coptic Cab driver in which the driver disagreed with him that the changes happening in Egypt are a good thing. The driver told him a regime change would be fatal to his family back home. For me the impetus was the responce of Muslims and non-Muslims, around the world and online, to Pastor Terry Jones’s Burn A Koran Day almost two years ago (you can read my short testimony about it in the sidebar). To get people up to speed on Eric’s amazing story, I usually give them this article called The High Price of Telling The truth About Islam, you can see the amazing work he has done on exposing and opposing the mosque in Tennessee (since his change of mind) here, that has resulted in him quickly become a big player in the counter-jihad movement and him being featured on Fox News in the past and twice in the last few days.
As a result of these Fox news appearances, the leftist online media is featuring the recent videos also because Eric is very blunt and right on in his assertions about Islam, most specifically that Islam is “the worst, most deadly idea in the history of the world”. Those two videos are posted here (at media matters – the site my exchange is on) and the other one is embedded below in sequence with the other two. I think all three videos are a must see as rarely have such truths about Islam been spoken freely on any mainstream media. Eric has been studying Islam now for about 2 years and he knows his stuff and is very articulate.
There is some overlap on this first video."
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The Koran is a violent cultist killing directive written by the hand of Satan.
I don't be knowing, is they? They be that? For shizzle?
How Leftist Say So and Why It Ain’t True
What one of them leftist say that and say so? Who that one?
I have been spending much of my time at Eric Allen Bells’ Facebook page
For shizzle? Be that why you scriptifyin' like a fool?
SEE ARTICLE FOR FULL TEXT AND VIDEOS
You a playa, dog. Full on pimpin' playa.
fist bump
I and other people have answered this nonsense and the neo Commies (today’s Liberals) ignore the answer and just press ahead.
The violence in the OT is simply history. People writing about what was happening at the time.
I would argue, as a Christian, that it is not that simple. Right now I am reading Paul Copan’s, Is God A Moral Monster, and David Lambs, God Behaving Badly,,, the subject of bible atrocities is huge.
It is clear cut to those who study that the OT does not command genocide or killing unbelievers. But it is the other stuff that has many non-Christians up in arms about. I’ll be studying and writing more on this topic if you would like to bookmark or subscribe to my site.
THANKS everyone else for your comments!!!
Christianity mostly spread through the quiet voices of missionaries who showed people the way through example and on rare occasions by the sword. Islam spread mostly by the sword and only on rare occasion by example. The Christians have no actual mandate to slaughter the unbeliever but rather to simply speak the word of God, Islam on the other hand is very clear about the bloody fate of the unbelievers. So why is this a revelation for anybody who can reason that they are not the same at all they are opposites. Muslims often point to the Crusades as an example of Christian violence but those were many centuries in the past and a reaction to Islamic violence.
Thanks for pointing that out. I was just about to when I saw your reply.
Gotta wonder about bloggers that can’t follow simple rules of grammar. Especially in the headline.
Yeh I seen that. THANKS! I slept in English class but I won’t sleep through the resistance to Islam. :)
Just a few lovely verses from the religion of peace:
WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)
“AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39
Koran 5:33-34
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)
Disbelievers’ faces will be black on the judgment day and they will receive God’s penalty...3:106 White faces on the judgment day will receive God’s mercy...3:107
Allah will reward the doers of good with paradise and much more, their faces will be radiant-stained; they will never be humiliated. The unbelievers’ faces will be turned dark…10:26-27
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)
In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.
Quran (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Quran 22:19-22: “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”
Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!’
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