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“Jesus Didn’t Condemn Homosexuality”
Apologetics Press ^ | Not Dated | Kyle Butt, M.A.

Posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: Outrance
I’ve read all the scriptures that touch on homosexuality but it is difficult to reconcile in my mind that what brings them together in a loving relationship is sinful...

Anal sex?

81 posted on 07/01/2012 5:58:22 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Raging degenerate lust is what ‘brings them together’ ... self control is a foreign notion to the sexual degenerate of any type. Look at sinkEmperor clintoon.


82 posted on 07/01/2012 6:00:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you for enlightening me, I appreciate it.


83 posted on 07/01/2012 6:06:32 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

My statement was in response to:

“Preaching to the perverted is like giving singing lessons to a pig.
It’s expensive, it doesn’t work, and it annoys the pig.

Pray for them, but don’t hold much hope. Few of them return from the madness they impart upon themselves.”

I’m an old lady. God, in His mercy, made Himself real to me when I was in my mid-20’s, my life was a disaster, and I was most deserving of God’s wrath.
In God’s mercy, when He saves us, God doesn’t open us up like a Christmas turkey, and show us the depth and weight of our sin. If He did it would destroy us. But over time and years God peels away the layers of our hearts like the layers of an onion. In that process, we more and more see our own depravity, the greatness of God’s love and mercy, and the tremendous price Jesus Christ paid on the cross.
The older I get, the more I love Him and understand what it means to get to the cross, because I see more thoroughly that “In me dwelleth no good thing.”
How can I possible call another sinner a “pig”, when I, myself, who calls myself a follower of Christ, and all the more accountable for that, and yet daily battle with indwelling sin?
Christ is the remedy for the worst of sinners. He is the only remedy for sin.


84 posted on 07/01/2012 7:35:39 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: dixiechick2000

Have you ever thought about pinging me when you mention me in a post?


85 posted on 07/01/2012 7:43:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Jesus said:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)

KJV

The old law explicitly condemns homosexuality.

86 posted on 07/01/2012 8:39:26 AM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Jesus did explicitly define marriage as being between one man and one woman.”

At creation, God took the woman out of the man. In marriage, they are re-united. No room there for any other sort of “coupling”.


87 posted on 07/01/2012 10:28:47 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Perverted homosexuals think with a perverted mind. So yes, they will read something different.


88 posted on 07/01/2012 10:51:24 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: SuziQ
There was no Islam before Mohammed. It was his 'dreams' that began it.

You are Correct!

I didn't "Clarify" that exactly correctly did I?

Arab communities used the Torah but concentrated on a limited portion but exclusively on the Books of Moses, Noah, & Enoch. They were rather selective and did overlook portions of the fore mentioned books when it suited their view of the Jews. They also selected other portions out of the Torah when it suited their (version) of their reality.

I should have more inclusive in what I meant when I specified "Early" as it should have been "Pre" Islamic text.

My Humble Appologies.........

89 posted on 07/01/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: SkyDancer

They are condemned, but it appeared that you were responding to GiovannaNicoletta and the article as if they agreed with the headline, which is not the case.


90 posted on 07/01/2012 11:08:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Long day, fuzzy thinking. Sorry


91 posted on 07/01/2012 11:41:36 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: WestwardHo

I thought you were referring to yourself as a pig. I guess I misinterpreted your comment.


92 posted on 07/01/2012 1:19:49 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Well,maybe not a pig, more of a Nutria...or a Vietamese pigmy pig... LOL!!!


93 posted on 07/01/2012 2:55:47 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The list of behaviors that Jesus did not specifically condemn would be very long. He failed to mention such offenses as,

Child abuse
Embezzlement
Blackmail
Rape
Kidnapping
Torture
Cruelty to animals.

Oh the list goes on and on. Does that mean if people start claiming that they were born with the desire to hurt baby bunnies we must affirm this behavior and call it good because Jesus did not say “hey put down that stick and leave the bunny alone!”? Didn’t think so.

The Scripture makes very clear there is only one form of sexual union sanctified by God and homosexual fornication ain’t it. Sodomy is one of the four sins that cry to heaven they are, willful murder, sodomy, oppression of the poor (especially the widow and the orphan) and defrauding a worker of his rightful wages.

All of this comes from admonishments in Scripture that such things are a great offense to God.


94 posted on 07/01/2012 4:12:25 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Outrance

First ask yourself “Does God order anything but for our good and that of our eternal souls?” Then ask yourself “Why would a loving God who is all good forbid something that in the eyes of many in the world appears as a good and loving relationship?” Does God desire to keep us from being happy? Is the point of obedience to Him to become miserable?

Do we trust that God knows what traps are most dangerous for our souls? I do. Do we believe that what God deems as good is good and what He deems as bad is bad? I do. Do we believe God’s plan for our happiness goes for beyond the temporal fleshy happiness found in sexual behavior? I do. Do we believe that sex in its right order reflect a truth about the mystery of God? I do.

For Christians sex is much more than just a biological activity meant for procreation and pleasure. Within marriage it is an analogy of the Trinity, just as marriage shows us a truth about Christ and His Church.

Sterile, life denying sex which by its very nature is so and can not be changed from this is the antithesis of the full self giving, life affirming sex that God has blessed within marriage. That union is a positive and reveals a truth about the nature of God. It glorifies Him and His creation. It deepens the bond of the spouses and truly makes them one. Male and female, they are God’s image.

Homosexual sex can not do this. It is profane.

God wants so much more for those in such relationships. He wants them for heaven. Their sin has deceived them and the counterfeit love (I call it counterfeit because it is not sanctioned by God) keeps them from knowing true love. No doubt they were kind, loving and generous people but that can be said of many sinners. It is right to pray for them and hope they turn away from their sin. It is right to pray that they find eternal joy even if it means some earthly unhappiness. Continue to show them the love of Christ and help them know how much He cares for them. Maybe someday with His grace they will come to know Him too.


95 posted on 07/01/2012 4:41:12 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: jongaltsr

No problem. ;o)


96 posted on 07/01/2012 10:48:48 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: circlecity
Yup. Exactly what I was going to point out; πορνεία (porneia) includes homosexuality. Cheers
97 posted on 07/02/2012 8:38:37 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Hey, Libtards, how's the Moral Imperative to close Gitmo working out for ya'?)
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To: Salvation; GGpaX4DumpedTea

“And that is why I rarely comment on these so-called religion threads. The was one the other day on the Rapture that I think Giovanna posted, and did so in a way that if you did not believe as she did you could be banned for presenting any ‘truth’ in the matter that did not agree with her.

I think she is the ‘Religion Moderator’ on Protestant threads. Salvation is the Mod on Catholic threads.

69 posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:23:29 PM by GGpaX4DumpedTea”

Take your issues up with him. He strongly mentioned your name without pinging you, but you didn’t mind that, apparently.

“Have you ever thought about pinging me when you mention me in a post?”

Because of this post to me, I won’t be taking up for you, anymore.

So, bye!


98 posted on 07/03/2012 12:26:31 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: daniel1212

..... Not to mention the latter half of Romans Chap 1.


99 posted on 07/03/2012 12:48:14 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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