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Some thoughts on folks crossing the Tiber.

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3 posted on 06/13/2012 3:03:38 PM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: Gamecock
The early church fathers determined what were the inspired works of God. They had a set criteria. The Roman Catholic Church replaced these books with their own version with no criteria of their own 1000 years later at the Council of Trent. The early church fathers’ believed scripture was given to them by God and unique. The Catholics today believe the Church created their version. The Roman Catholic Church really has effectively abandoned the early fathers for 1500s Renaissance gobby-gook. There are many placed on New Advent where they simply state the fathers were wrong or didn't have a complete view of things. (Think I'm wrong then look up atonement or the church's view on supersessionism to name but a few.)

It would be laughable to think Catholics actually follow the traditions of the fathers if it wasn't for the fact that many Catholics here believe it to be so and will argue you tooth-and-nail over it. Catholics no longer teaches what the early fathers taught and Church "infallibility" is simply a way to cover up or hide behind fundamental changes in doctrinal beliefs. Catholics believing they follow the Church fathers is like Obama thinking the private sector is doing well. It's all an illusion hoping people buy into it.

105 posted on 06/14/2012 5:10:33 PM PDT by HarleyD
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