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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
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To: The_Reader_David

For what does Mary need titles for anyway.

If people wanted to distinguish her form other Mary’s found in Scripture, all they’d have to do is say, *Mary, Jesus’ mother* and I’m pretty sure anyone reading the Bible would have a pretty good idea of who was being talked about.


621 posted on 01/12/2012 7:38:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
Do you really have to ask? These are two of the most famous paintings in Western Civilization.

They are Michelangelo's ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, The Creation of Adam, and Da Vinci's Last Supper. Of course they are intended to depict God.

So are they idols to you? You were capable of judging idols earlier on this thread, so let's check your judgement. Are these idols in your judgement?

622 posted on 01/12/2012 7:39:38 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice

Really? You have trouble with finding things like “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth,...” in the Gospel?


623 posted on 01/12/2012 7:42:05 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear

“Looks like the “image made like to corruptible man” to me.”

Really?

Oh yeah, you think celebrating Christmas is PAGAN too, right?


624 posted on 01/12/2012 7:43:20 PM PST by narses
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To: D-fendr
>> Of course they are intended to depict God.<<

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

625 posted on 01/12/2012 7:43:33 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<
>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<
>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<

{{{{CRICKETS}}}}


626 posted on 01/12/2012 7:45:00 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear

Time to stop dodging.

Are these idols in your judgement, the same judgement you used earlier.


627 posted on 01/12/2012 7:45:34 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom

Are you claiming that PRAYER always equals WORSHIP?


629 posted on 01/12/2012 7:48:12 PM PST by narses
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To: stonehouse01; ConservativeMind
Ooops, try again with correct italicizing for attribution.

In Luke Chapter 9 Verse 28 Jesus himself prays to Moses and Elijah (saints) for them to join him and they do on the mountaintop.

The verse says no such thing. All it says as that HE went up to pray. It says NOTHING about who He was praying TO.

Luke 9:28 Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James and went up on the mountain to pray.

Do you seriously expect believers to believe that Jesus the Creator, was praying to Moses and Elijah the created?

Talk about heresy.

630 posted on 01/12/2012 7:49:05 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Are you claiming that PRAYER always equals WORSHIP?


631 posted on 01/12/2012 7:50:44 PM PST by narses
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To: D-fendr; narses; metmom; boatbums; caww; RnMomof7; smvoice
>> Are these idols in your judgement, the same judgement you used earlier.<<

Is there any wonder there are priests diddling little boys and other “religious leaders” getting into problems with lust etc?

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

When God “gives them up to uncleanness” it may be wise to investigate why.

632 posted on 01/12/2012 7:52:38 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses; metmom; CynicalBear

Really. You don’t seem to know what the gospel is. It’s not there in your previous posts. It’s missing from your creeds. And your doctrines. Everything else is there, except WHAT SAVES. The gospel of your salvation. Funny that the ONE thing necessary is not there..


633 posted on 01/12/2012 7:53:07 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

634 posted on 01/12/2012 7:55:45 PM PST by narses
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To: smvoice; narses; metmom
>>Everything else is there, except WHAT SAVES.<<

Aren’t you forgetting what they believe saves them? They don’t even necessarily need to know Jesus.

“we achieve the salvation God desires for us through perseverance in both faith and works.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I] “But these verses, and many others, teach us that our performance of good works is necessary for our salvation.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I] “these verses also teach us that we all will be judged by God according to our deeds. There is no distinction between the "saved" and the "unsaved." [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I] “Jesus' teaching on the separation of the sheep from the goats is based on the works that were done during their lives, not just on their acceptance of Christ as Savior. In fact, this teaching even demonstrates that those who are ultimately saved do not necessarily have to know Christ.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]

635 posted on 01/12/2012 7:58:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses

Ah. Resorting to posting the cereal box? It’s not there, either. Although it would stand a better chance of being there than in a Catholic Church creed or doctrine.


636 posted on 01/12/2012 7:59:21 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear
If nothing was considered the “written word” prior to “400 years after Paul was dead”? Did Paul then write them after he was dead? Or are you saying that the CC wrote stuff and claimed it was the apostles.

Waiting, waiting for a response.....

637 posted on 01/12/2012 8:00:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: smvoice; narses; metmom
Formatting is our friend.

>>Everything else is there, except WHAT SAVES.<<

Aren’t you forgetting what they believe saves them? They don’t even necessarily need to know Jesus.

“we achieve the salvation God desires for us through perseverance in both faith and works.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]

“But these verses, and many others, teach us that our performance of good works is necessary for our salvation.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]

“these verses also teach us that we all will be judged by God according to our deeds. There is no distinction between the "saved" and the "unsaved." [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]

“Jesus' teaching on the separation of the sheep from the goats is based on the works that were done during their lives, not just on their acceptance of Christ as Savior. In fact, this teaching even demonstrates that those who are ultimately saved do not necessarily have to know Christ.” [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#salvation-I]

638 posted on 01/12/2012 8:01:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You’re still dodging the question, just adding a deflection now.

Why?

Are these idols in your judgement, the same judgement you used earlier?


639 posted on 01/12/2012 8:02:52 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear

>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<
>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<
>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<
>>Are you claiming that Catholic’s worship idols?<<

{{{{CRICKETS}}}}


640 posted on 01/12/2012 8:05:39 PM PST by narses
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