cronos: -- so we agree on that bit at least, right? That Jesus was more than just a man and not "just an angel", correct? I believe He was God. You have said you don't, now we can discuss this difference in opinion
Just for the point of clarification, for the sake of the lurkers who don't know the players, could you kindly point out to everyone just where c-y-c made the statement that he said that he didn't believe Jesus was God? I went back through the posted conversation that you two had and didn't see that in there.
Or is that just another unsubstantiated claim thrown out there in an effort to discredit anything else he has to say?
Because you know, that's how it all comes across. Spurious claims based on delusion of some kind are thrown out about various posters, Catholic in general, about the purported beliefs of non-Catholics and then the implication is made that nothing they have to say about God or Christ or the Bible is trustworthy because if they can't get the basics correct, then everything else they say must be suspect. It's extremely disingenuous.
IBTWH.
One of the interesting dilemmas Catholics have is that they can only attempt to project a belief onto Protestants. They can’t rely strictly on scripture because it they don’t use strictly scripture. The CC tells them that salvation is only available under the auspices of the CC so cannot understand that salvation is an individual thing which results in the inclusion into the true “church” the body of Christ. The true “church” transcends the CC which is a concept foreign to Catholics. The inability to “box” true Christians into the concept taught by the CC causes Catholics to have to project beliefs in an attempt to “box” Protestants which is a concept they do understand. False as it is it’s the safe place for them.
See the post above.
For that matter, Uri's disagreement with the Trinity is also his point of opinion.
wow -- talking about jumping to conclusions.
Now that I am clear on what common grounds are shared with Uri and with cyc respectively we can have a civil debate.
i disagree with cyc on the creature/uncreated nature of Christ, but he is arguing it from his point of view.
i disagree with Uri that he disbelieves the Trinity, but he is arguing from his point of view too
I cannot debate with both at the same time about the Trinity because they both have utterly different ways of seeing it -- with uri one can debate "we both believe in Christ's divinity, but not exactly how that fits in with the Father and the Holy Spirit" -- we can share and learn
with cyc it is a more basic difference, but it would not make sense to make the same debate with cyc as with uri because a person who believes that Christ is created could say "whooa, why are you wasting my time arguing if God is modal or not when I disagree with the original premise"