[Cronos]

metmom: is trustworthy because if they can't get the basics correct, then everything else they say must be suspect. It's extremely disingenuous.

wow -- talking about jumping to conclusions.

Now that I am clear on what common grounds are shared with Uri and with cyc respectively we can have a civil debate.

i disagree with cyc on the creature/uncreated nature of Christ, but he is arguing it from his point of view.

i disagree with Uri that he disbelieves the Trinity, but he is arguing from his point of view too

I cannot debate with both at the same time about the Trinity because they both have utterly different ways of seeing it -- with uri one can debate "we both believe in Christ's divinity, but not exactly how that fits in with the Father and the Holy Spirit" -- we can share and learn

with cyc it is a more basic difference, but it would not make sense to make the same debate with cyc as with uri because a person who believes that Christ is created could say "whooa, why are you wasting my time arguing if God is modal or not when I disagree with the original premise"

[count-your-change]

Civil, if spirited debates are possible even among those with wide disagreements. I have enjoyed it but I have to leave for a bit.
If you wish to continue later, I will gladly.