Posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:26 PM PST by rhema
Also what helps the Jewish/Christian scriptures is what is called “Biblical archeology” in Israel.
I do believe what helped the Bible cause was this one Israeli who has become a “legend” in the field of Bible Archaeology, Yigael Yadin. Here is an article about this writer’s friendship with Mr. Yadin:
Baiting if I’ve ever seen it.
Working on the presumption of guilt or knowledge of a position held is intellectually dishonest debate tactic and only amounts to flame baiting.
Because this is not an unrecognized tactic from Catholics, I’m not going there. Until there is some integrity in the questions asked, they will remain unanswered.
Assume the worse if you will. It will happen anyway, no matter what I say.
Man, that was a work of beauty. Apparently that’s what passes for religious discussion; assuming of course one is either horribly ashamed of their own religion’s stance on a subject, or just too plain ignorant to be able to explain it.
You know, I was under the mistaken idea that all those recent translations were done ‘without any monkey business’. Yet, I have had it demonstrated that that is not so.
Granted, at first the KJV may be a bit difficult to understand. I liken it to when I was in high school and had to read Shakespeares Othello. Boy, was THAT hard to undertsand. At first. But as ones mind begins to wrap itself around that different way of thinking/speaking, it becomes easier and more understandable.
The same is true for the KJV. Indeed, once one becomes accustomed to the language, it can be quite beautiful.
Additionally, one should look at the groups, the very people involved in these nice new ‘translations’. In many cases, they are not ones that should be involved in a Faithful translation of Gods Word.
Perhaps a better "phraseology" for the question might have been, "Do we have the choice to believe in the virgin birth or not?"
That’s because Jesus IS The Word:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. [4] In him was life, and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. [8] He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. [9] That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. [13] Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [15] John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.
They aren't...They don't exist...
Not your bible...
Unitariarns definitely are not Christian.
I’m disappointed in Messianics if they reject the Virgin Birth. This is the first I’ve heard of this.
Yes. It’s called “Faith”
Messianics do not reject the Virgin Birth; Miriam's role was not her 2. Joseph is descended from King David. 3. The inheritance exception granted for 4. If a woman who has no brothers marries 5. Joseph and Miriam are married As we speak, in Israel they are lighting the first candle for Chanukah. Careful reading of YHvH's WORD if illuminated by the Ru'ach HaKodesh Yah'shua was born on the YHvH commanded feast of Tabernacles. One might want to become more skeptical of members of the Roman "church" All Praise for the Light of the worldThere are some who are just making stuff up !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
they are the only ones who have clearly explained
from scripture the purpose of the virgin birth
that does not include the Queen of Heaven.
characteristics or value,
but her bloodlines to King David,
having no brothers and
the exception started by
the daughters of Zelophehad.
There are five things that are important here: 1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
Some members of the Roman "church" are acting on orders
and is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.
the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect SEE: (Numbers 26, 27, 36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7).
a man of the same tribe
She can inherit forever.
(each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent
inheritance of the Kingship of David
for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua (Messiahship).
from their god haSatan in an attempt to discredit all who
disagree with Constantine's Roman "church"
will demonstrate the on this Feast the Light of the world
took on the garment of human flesh as the Lamb of G-d
on the first day of Chanukah.
as we enter endtimes as there seems to be a one world religion movement.
entering to tabernacle with us and redeem us.
Metmom: baiting
Really? On what basis does this sect say that the Virgin Birth was false?
Wait a minute,Uri — your posts in the past have denied Christ’s divinity. Is that taken back? btw, xzins, I don’t know if Uri represents all Messianics or their philosophy.
It's incredible -- if they can only attack other's faith rather than talking about their own it says a lot....
Salvation - some believe in the Koran instead....
Perhaps you just want to play " you and him fight !" I have NEVER denied the divinity of Yah'shua ! I reject the Roman "church" DOGMA of the Trinity. YHvH has appeared to mankind at various times in different modes. Yah'shua clearly stated that there is only ONE G-d: YHvH. YHvH's NAME has been blotted out over seven thousand times I can not tell if you are functionally illiterate or
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
see and believe only what you want to believe.
Theophanies, the Spirit of YHvH, Shekinah.
see Mark 12:29, where Peter is quoting Yah'shua.
in all English translations and replaced with "LORD".
Cronos, I've got to stop you here. I can't answer directly for metmom, but I do know that in most areas the two of us agree on Biblical topics and I've never heard her reject the Virgin Birth, nor do I know of any other Protestants which do reject the Virgin Birth. That's one of the fundamentals of the Faith which all branches of Christianity agree upon.
As for your claim that Uri's group denies the Virgin Birth, where has this been claimed? I've not heard this at all.
Please, explain yourself here.
“Assume the worse if you will. It will happen anyway, no matter what I say.” — though if some group is exceptionally cagey about what they believe or not — not even explaining why they deny the virgin birth, what can one do?
Valid question -- I've interacted with XeniaST for years and that is where that statement comes from.
As to his statement that "Yah'shua clearly stated that there is only ONE G-d: YHvH. see Mark 12:29, where Peter is quoting Yah'shua." -- and that "YHvH has appeared to mankind at various times in different modes." --> I stand corrected -- XeniaST does believe in the Unity in Trinity, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Shalom
As to his statement that "Yah'shua clearly stated that there is only ONE G-d: YHvH. see Mark 12:29, where Peter is quoting Yah'shua." -- and that "YHvH has appeared to mankind at various times in different modes." --> I stand corrected -- XeniaST does believe in the Unity in Trinity, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Maybe I'm missing something here, but you seem to be equating Uri with this XeniaST person. Who is this XeniaST person that they can speak for Uri's group's beliefs? I don't quite follow where you're going here.
Thanks, Buggs. I thought I would have heard of it, if it were the case. Someone probably miscommunicated and another misunderstood it.
Shalom
Here it is Christams week and the celebration of Jesus birth, our Savior coming to the world... yet they still cannot see Him as first and foremost....
BUT.....It remains all about....”The son is given”...”The Savior”...”THe King”.....and He shall be called “Jesus”...to those who love and serve Him above all others.
Praise God for His great love to us all.. that HE would come to dwell among men in the form of the Christ-child!!!!
The Old Testament declared......”He’s coming!”.....the Gospels declared....’He’s here!’.... and the rest reveal... “He’s coming again!”
That and anything else that came out of Africa...
Yes some do...Some like that guy that wears a hat that looks like a grapefruit while wearing a dress and red shoes, kissing a green Koran...Some folks like him apparently believe in the Koran...
Was that any one you know???
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Maybe I’m a bit slow here but the LXX has been/is quite a useful work to Christians and Jews.
You continue to put words in my mouth. I do not now nor have I ever believed in the That heresy was promulgated by the Wrong again !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Roman Pagan DOGMA of the trinity !
Roman Pontiff, Constantine in 325CE.
Ok, then my mistake, let’s rephrase it: XeniaST (now with a new screen tag Uri’el-2012) does not believe in the Trinity and in fact Uri/Xenia believes that the Trinity (which Christians believe in) is pagan — correct?
A reliable source agrees with you:
(Matthew 19:26) But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible".
My apologies Avalon, XeniaST was Uri’el-2012’s screen name for nearly a decade before 2010. He changed it to Uri’el-2012. Not sure why, perhaps something to do with 2012 end times or something.
Not really, I made the error of taking one person’s views and comments as representative of all — I apologize for that error.
I believe that since the Catholics have been told to lay off the direct questioning of people concerning their religious affiliation, that they have resorted to finding the information by process of elimination. Throw out some absurd claim and then make them deny it.
What’s going on is that the Catholics are then setting themselves up as judge and jury, passing judgment on who’s a *real* Christian based on some arbitrary criteria they established, such as whether you agree with their man-made precepts and doctrines or not.
Anyone they go after is then being constantly put on the defensive to *prove* the validity of their Christianity to someone who will never be satisfied with any answer given but complete compliance and embracing of THEIR CHURCH and its doctrine.
So I’m going to participate in providing information to an unbeliever so they can pass judgment on the validity of my faith by their measure? I don’t think so.
He’s working on assumptions and you know what happens when one assumes something......
Except UriÂ’el-2012 and I are exempt. It’s just self-inflicted at that point.
And I’m not playing his stupid little gotcha games.
No gotcha games — just a question — why believe that? you ask me and other in orthodoxy about our faith, so why can’t we ask you about yours?
As for your claim that Uri's group denies the Virgin Birth, where has this been claimed? I've not heard this at all.
Until Cronos can provide some solid evidence of these things that he's stating about us, it's all tilting at windmills.
Making baseless blanket statements about people based on nothing but conjecture is not debate with any kind of honesty or integrity.
My posting history is there for all to see and my position on every topic he's accused me of can be found there.
Cronos, if you can point me or anyone else to specific posts that we have made that would lead you to arrive at the *your group* kind of conclusions you keep throwing out at me and others, post them and I'll address mine specifically.
But I am not and will not engage in stupid gotcha games whose sole purpose seems to be nothing other than finding out personal information about other FReepers or providing ANYONE with the opportunity to pass judgment on the validity of my faith because it doesn't match someone else's opinion.
If you're going to base your questioning on presumptions and expect me to disprove them or concede to them, you will be having a long wait.
My refusal to engage means nothing more than the fact that I recognize bating and manipulation tactics and will not be baited or manipulated.
Matthew 5:11-12 11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
The Pharisees falsely accused Jesus as well. I can wear it as a badge of honor to be keeping His company.
So, Cronos, bug off.
I will not answer any question that presumes a position I hold.
I do not recall asking any Catholic about their faith. I was born and raised a Catholic. I know all I need to about it.
Perversely and unnecessarily sowing discord amongst the Brothers and Sisters is harshly condemned in Scripture.
LOL Some haven’t gotten that message. See post 20 to me. It’s their way to “fit into the little boxes” which seems to make them feel better. It’s a way to apply indiscretions of anyone one person of that “organization” to other individuals.
They can’t really understand that salvation isn’t contingent on “belonging” to some human organized “religion”. Cults indoctrinate into the adherents the claim that if they don’t follow “their rules” they will be damned. Belonging to the “group” is salvation in and of itself. It’s one of the more obvious signs of a true cult.
Very well said! It is the idea that "absolutes" really exist that burns their buns. God laughs in derision at them.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
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