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Must We Believe in the Virgin Birth?
AlbertMohler.com ^ | December 14, 2011 | Dr. Albert Mohler

Posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:26 PM PST by rhema

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To: aruanan

Also what helps the Jewish/Christian scriptures is what is called “Biblical archeology” in Israel.


101 posted on 12/20/2011 3:23:27 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Also what helps the Jewish/Christian scriptures is what is called “Biblical archeology” in Israel.

Yes, but what started the whole thing was Heinrich Schliemann, who advocated the historical reality of places mentioned in the works of Homer, such as Troy, and the Mycenaean sites Mycenae and Tiryns, which he excavated. Before form criticism of the Bible, the critics had applied their techniques to Homer.
102 posted on 12/20/2011 4:06:44 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I do believe what helped the Bible cause was this one Israeli who has become a “legend” in the field of Bible Archaeology, Yigael Yadin. Here is an article about this writer’s friendship with Mr. Yadin:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/biblical-archaeology-topics/how-i-met-yigael-yadin-the-star-of-israeli-archaeology/


103 posted on 12/20/2011 4:21:31 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

Baiting if I’ve ever seen it.

Working on the presumption of guilt or knowledge of a position held is intellectually dishonest debate tactic and only amounts to flame baiting.

Because this is not an unrecognized tactic from Catholics, I’m not going there. Until there is some integrity in the questions asked, they will remain unanswered.

Assume the worse if you will. It will happen anyway, no matter what I say.


104 posted on 12/20/2011 4:43:28 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos

Man, that was a work of beauty. Apparently that’s what passes for religious discussion; assuming of course one is either horribly ashamed of their own religion’s stance on a subject, or just too plain ignorant to be able to explain it.


105 posted on 12/20/2011 4:53:13 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hayride

You know, I was under the mistaken idea that all those recent translations were done ‘without any monkey business’. Yet, I have had it demonstrated that that is not so.

Granted, at first the KJV may be a bit difficult to understand. I liken it to when I was in high school and had to read Shakespeares Othello. Boy, was THAT hard to undertsand. At first. But as ones mind begins to wrap itself around that different way of thinking/speaking, it becomes easier and more understandable.

The same is true for the KJV. Indeed, once one becomes accustomed to the language, it can be quite beautiful.

Additionally, one should look at the groups, the very people involved in these nice new ‘translations’. In many cases, they are not ones that should be involved in a Faithful translation of Gods Word.


106 posted on 12/20/2011 5:00:40 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: rhema
To my mind (and probably ONLY to my mind) you've asked the wrong question. Other than die, you MUST not do anything. Other than ultimate death, you have a choice. In America, you have the freedom to choose - tho this is eroding quickly under the current regime led by the stain.

Perhaps a better "phraseology" for the question might have been, "Do we have the choice to believe in the virgin birth or not?"

107 posted on 12/20/2011 5:04:13 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: eastforker

That’s because Jesus IS The Word:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. [4] In him was life, and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. [8] He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. [9] That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. [13] Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [15] John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.


108 posted on 12/20/2011 5:27:29 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: eastforker
It was the Jewish sect that translated that! I will make you a bet. I bet you can not find where the first 5 books of the bible , written in ancient greek, are located or stored for referance.

They aren't...They don't exist...

109 posted on 12/20/2011 5:51:37 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Salvation
Are you not believing the Bible?

Not your bible...

110 posted on 12/20/2011 6:04:23 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Cronos; XeniaSt; Buggman

Unitariarns definitely are not Christian.

I’m disappointed in Messianics if they reject the Virgin Birth. This is the first I’ve heard of this.


111 posted on 12/20/2011 6:07:32 AM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: rhema

Yes. It’s called “Faith”


112 posted on 12/20/2011 6:32:24 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Iscool
You mean as in the Septuagint? Or?
113 posted on 12/20/2011 6:35:20 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xzins; Cronos
Cronos>Yet look at Unitarians or uri’s messianic-something religious group. They reject the virgin birth. And if you listen even briefly to the big kirk guys like Osteen, etc, you can wonder what they preach on this...

There are some who are just making stuff up !

Messianics do not reject the Virgin Birth;
they are the only ones who have clearly explained
from scripture the purpose of the virgin birth
that does not include the Queen of Heaven.

Miriam's role was not her
characteristics or value,
but her bloodlines to King David,
having no brothers and
the exception started by
the daughters of Zelophehad.

There are five things that are important here:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for
the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect SEE: (Numbers 26, 27, 36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7).

4. If a woman who has no brothers marries
a man of the same tribe
She can inherit forever.

5. Joseph and Miriam are married
(each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent
inheritance of the Kingship of David
for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua (Messiahship).

Some members of the Roman "church" are acting on orders
from their god haSatan in an attempt to discredit all who
disagree with Constantine's Roman "church"

As we speak, in Israel they are lighting the first candle for Chanukah.

Careful reading of YHvH's WORD if illuminated by the Ru'ach HaKodesh
will demonstrate the on this Feast the Light of the world
took on the garment of human flesh as the Lamb of G-d
on the first day of Chanukah.

Yah'shua was born on the YHvH commanded feast of Tabernacles.

One might want to become more skeptical of members of the Roman "church"
as we enter endtimes as there seems to be a one world religion movement.

All Praise for the Light of the world
entering to tabernacle with us and redeem us.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
114 posted on 12/20/2011 7:34:57 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: metmom
Cronos: what argument does your group give against the virgin birth?

Metmom: baiting

Really? On what basis does this sect say that the Virgin Birth was false?

115 posted on 12/20/2011 7:43:22 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; xzins

Wait a minute,Uri — your posts in the past have denied Christ’s divinity. Is that taken back? btw, xzins, I don’t know if Uri represents all Messianics or their philosophy.


116 posted on 12/20/2011 7:44:59 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; metmom
just too plain ignorant to be able to explain it.

It's incredible -- if they can only attack other's faith rather than talking about their own it says a lot....

117 posted on 12/20/2011 7:46:12 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Salvation; Iscool

Salvation - some believe in the Koran instead....


118 posted on 12/20/2011 7:47:38 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos; xzins
Wait a minute,Uri — your posts in the past have denied Christ’s divinity. Is that taken back? btw, xzins, I don’t know if Uri represents all Messianics or their philosophy.

I can not tell if you are functionally illiterate or
see and believe only what you want to believe.

Perhaps you just want to play " you and him fight !"

I have NEVER denied the divinity of Yah'shua !

I reject the Roman "church" DOGMA of the Trinity.

YHvH has appeared to mankind at various times in different modes.
Theophanies, the Spirit of YHvH, Shekinah.

Yah'shua clearly stated that there is only ONE G-d: YHvH.
see Mark 12:29, where Peter is quoting Yah'shua.

YHvH's NAME has been blotted out over seven thousand times
in all English translations and replaced with "LORD".

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
119 posted on 12/20/2011 8:12:10 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Cronos; metmom; UriĀ’el-2012
sadly, this was the next stage in their development. Metmom -- what argument does your group give against the virgin birth?

Cronos, I've got to stop you here. I can't answer directly for metmom, but I do know that in most areas the two of us agree on Biblical topics and I've never heard her reject the Virgin Birth, nor do I know of any other Protestants which do reject the Virgin Birth. That's one of the fundamentals of the Faith which all branches of Christianity agree upon.

As for your claim that Uri's group denies the Virgin Birth, where has this been claimed? I've not heard this at all.

Please, explain yourself here.

120 posted on 12/20/2011 8:19:56 AM PST by Avalon Hussar
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