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Vatican increases pressure to allow Latin mass
Reuters ^ | 5/13/2011 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: faucetman
"The KJV is not for today. It is not written in the English language understood today. (The same could be said about Latin)."

The significant difference between any living language and English and Latin is that the living languages continue to evolve and introduce variation and error into contemporaneous interpretations, whereas Latin is dead. There will always need to be updates and re-translations of Scripture into modern languages to ensure their continued fidelity. Latin, on the other hand is set in stone, it's meanings are fixed and therefore timeless. That is why it also remains the language of science and law.

101 posted on 05/14/2011 11:51:03 AM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: faucetman; Dr. Brian Kopp

>>Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN. <<

What a strange statement.

So if I attend the Slovak Mass at my parish or the Polish Mass across the street, when I speak neither language, is that speaking in tongues?

If you attend a Latin Mass with my 11-year-old who has studied Latin for three years and understands every bit of it, is that speaking in tongues?

Maybe it’s just that YOU personally don’t understand it. Since the Catholic Church has moved to the vernacular, the study of Latin has fallen by the wayside. My Grandmother, who never made it past the 8th grade, understood Latin. The problem is not the Latin but rather those who do not study it.


102 posted on 05/14/2011 12:01:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: faucetman

>>Were the ten commandments written in Latin on those stone tablets?<<

How do you know that they weren’t? Did you see them?
You limit God. How do you know that when you looked at the tablets, they were not in YOUR language? God has that power.


103 posted on 05/14/2011 12:10:57 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: faucetman
"Were the ten commandments written in Latin on those stone tablets?"

The earliest evidence of Hebrew as a written language dates to only the 10th century BC, about 400-500 years after the Exodus. Since Moses was an educated Egyptian it is just as likely that the tablets were written in Egyptian hieroglyphs as any of the earlier Semantic scripts.

104 posted on 05/14/2011 1:01:32 PM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: Natural Law
"...earlier Semantic scripts.

That should be "Semitic" scripts....darned autocorrect!

105 posted on 05/14/2011 1:05:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: Natural Law
Good point. Although in trying to reach the masses with the “good News” it must be done in the language they understand. We aren't expecting the unsaved to learn Latin before being saved? I doubt this is His plan.
106 posted on 05/14/2011 1:06:15 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: netmilsmom

you are correct


107 posted on 05/14/2011 1:07:49 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman
"Although in trying to reach the masses with the “good News” it must be done in the language they understand."

Keep in mind that the Catholic Mass, other than the homily which is not in Latin, is not intended to be an educational exercise like most Protestant services. It is a worship service which reaches its apex with the Real Presence of Christ. Performing essentially the same service in the same language as all other Catholics worldwide and throughout the ages reinforces the concept of the Communion of Saints.

The Holy Spirit provides. Rather than babbling incoherently, the gift of tongues is the ability to communicate and explain Scripture in a language the recipient understands. Many Christians of all denominations share this gift, sometimes unknowingly.

108 posted on 05/14/2011 1:35:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: faucetman

“Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN.”

That was your initial post.

On what authority doest thou speaketh?


109 posted on 05/14/2011 2:58:47 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: faucetman

According to whom?


110 posted on 05/14/2011 3:15:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: faucetman; Cronos
Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN.

Shall we assume that you are completely out of your mind? Or shall we assume that you are simply uninformed?

The first language of the Church is Greek; the second is Latin and the third is Church Slavonic. English is not an official Church language, and while there are those who believe that if English was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for the rest of us, the fact still remains that English is NOT a Church language. Your post is speaking in tongues, and is strictly FORBIDDEN.

111 posted on 05/14/2011 5:09:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

I’m done with this thread, but “the church”? What does that mean to you? “The Catholic Church? His church is the “people”, “the saints” (not Catholic saints, but “saved” people. We are all saints), NOT the building, Not the “religion”.


112 posted on 05/15/2011 7:39:08 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman
I’m done with this thread, but “the church”? What does that mean to you?

What Our Lord Jesus built up with fishermen and tax collectors and the like during His ministry on earth.

“The Catholic Church? His church is the “people”, “the saints” (not Catholic saints, but “saved” people. We are all saints)

Who is 'we'? Do you even have a clue as to what Catholic saints are?

NOT the building, Not the “religion”.

That is the mantra of every false prophet that saw the Faith as a means to personal prosperity.

113 posted on 05/15/2011 2:36:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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