Posted on 12/15/2010 5:17:34 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican
“For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.” (Exodus 20:11a KJV)
According to evolutionary scientists, the earth is over 4 billion years old; but Biblical chronology dates the age of the earth at about 6,000 years. In an attempt to reconcile the two extreme positions, many creation scientists have used 2 Peter 3:8 to state that the six days mentioned in the Genesis account were not literal 24-hour days. However, if we used the “a day is as a thousand years” formula, we would have the six days of creation plus the day of rest equaling 7,000 years, at most. Hardly a good reconciliation with 4 billion years. So, how old is the earth?...
Fifth article in a series about Creation by Rosemarie Thompson.
Comments welcome!
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To address this question one needs to read:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachAnd his article
The Age of the Universe
WAIT A MINUTE.
Wrong planet. Earth was created 6 days ago and we are in the 7th day.
Sorry, I only recently moved to this planet and it takes some adjusting.
Again, Chapter and Verse or you’re spouting heresy.
Here’s a hint. Romans 8:19-21 shows that it was physical death and not just spiritual death that was unleashed at the fall. After all, only man has a soul to experience spiritual death, but all of creation is waiting to be transformed due to the current corruption.
I think you are in over your head here ...
But its up to you to defend your belief with some exegetical data. Please do so ...
How could they even be sure of their dating with something that old?
Speed of light - measuring the red shift of a star or galaxy. More distant galaxies have longer red shifts. Most distant ones give a result of 4.5+ billion years. AFAIK.
LOL
Completely understandable. Just a question though, can you take Obama back with you when you leave?
Polystrate (many layers); term used only by creationists.
A Classic Polystrate Fossil (images)
http://www.icr.org/article/classic-polystrate-fossil/
I do not disagree with your sentiments. Essentially a God who lies is not a truthful God.
I do not see a problem with stating that God inspires men to write his message in their own words. No painting is an exact copy, but it does convey the essential points; similarly, the Bible sometimes contains words analogous to certain events, but those words are meant to convey a deeper message alongside anything literal. It makes sense to me, scripture is useless to me if I had to take everything inside it without its deeper meaning.
From my study of the Bible, I noticed how important it is for men to carry out the Lords wishes in their own manner with the skills available to them. That is the reason he gave us a mind and will to follow him, so that we do not do so by autonomous command, but by the full use of our own unique excellence in his service. That is why I can say that I find no problem with the Bible being a-historical, because the deeper message is based on the skills of shepherds who can understand the essentials of creation, but had no way of actually picturing the actual way it happened; instead, they use the intellect that God gave them to explain the facts as best they could. God is still sovereign, but he is sovereign over those he gave a will and an intellect to use for him.
A huge meteor struck the planet what is now the area between North and South America.
The correct interpretation of Genesis 1:2 is “And the World became “Hayah” without form and void”.
The planet suffered a terrible blow, as the impact of the meteor blew out the backside of the planet. One can see the blowout area using GOOGLE EARTH. It was much like shooting a slug into a pumpkin. Small hole in, big hole going out. The moon was created as a result of the largest mass ejected out the backside. It was a real mess and eventually the crust solidified as the waters of the deep returned back to the surface and fell from the skies.
In Genesis God was making things right again, so Genesis is not the literal beginning. Geneses even discusses the Earth being replenished, which implies a previous existance.
And GOD saw that it was good. Again.
http://news.discovery.com/space/oldest-galaxy-universe-hubble.html
“Chapter and verse, or it doesn’t exist.” ~ paladin1_dcs
“...Now a few words about figurative language in the Bible. Ancient Hebrew language and literature, like that of other ANE cultures, was filled with figurative language and literary devices that no English translation can completely capture. This naturally affects greatly how we read the Bible.
Critics argue to the effect that a literal meaning should be presumed in a Biblical text unless there are good reasons to do otherwise. What they do not explore is what considerations may be taken to determine what kind of reading a text is subject to, such as genre, context, language and so on. Far too many commentators fail to take such factors into account. So, we often hear the standard objection from Genesis: Adam and Eve did not physically die from eating of the tree, as God’s comment, taken with wooden literalism, would indicate -—
Gen. 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”
Commentators as far back as pre-Christian Judaism have read this as indicating spiritual, not physical, death. But a literalist critic will say: “That’s not what the book says. It says they will die. Nothing is said about a spiritual death.”
It has been noted that the literal Hebrew says, “Dying you shall die,” which does indicate a “progressive” death. However, even if it did not — as is the case with many cites where “death” and “die” is used in isolation — nothing needs to be said because the context says all that is needed. Critics would have us believe that the writer of this story, which forms a literary unity, wrote something so blatantly contradictory in such a short space. Common sense alone therefore supports the “spiritual death” interpretation, but there is more, and this is where we come back to the overall pervasiveness of figurative language in Hebrew, combined with an understanding of the Semitic theological mindset.
The account in Genesis goes on to depict Adam and Eve as losing fellowship with God. To the Hebrew mind, loss of fellowship with God is a fate worse than death, for it was the loss of fellowship with the prime source of peace. Thus the word “death” -— representing the most fearsome and irreversible fate in this life -— was chosen to figuratively describe this loss of fellowship with God.
Now we may anticipate our the response: “That’s not what the text says!” From the perspective of a Western mind reading and English translation with a heart of stone, perhaps not. But to a Semitic mind reading in a language with a much higher level of poetic sophistication the text says that very thing. This is no expediency, but a fact of the culture that wrote the book.
But seeking to cause further difficulty, a critic may cite other verses referring to death, and asks why they could not refer to spiritual death also. The answer is clear in two ways.
First, the context: The texts cited support a literal interpretation, for they appear in contexts where physical death occurs or is imminent.
Second, there is the genre of the texts where the cites appear, which are cast as pure narrative history, as opposed to the account of the Fall, which carries an “otherworldliness” about it of a sort found in other ANE literature of the time, which indicates a substance of far deeper meaning behind the narrative.
Finally, related to this: The Bible often uses anthropomorphic language to describe God, and such language is read figuratively. It is no answer to say that the verses say what they say, “and no allegorical and figurative meaning can be honestly attributed.” These are the words of one who has not made even a cursory study of the language, literature and culture of the ANE.”
http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/jerry722.html#fig
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“...What a tragedy, that our brothers and sisters in Christ might choose spiritual death because they cannot reconcile a fundamentalist approach to creationism with the evidence before them, when their faith does not require it. For those of us who know that Christ reigns, this situation is untenable.
Founded in 2007 by Francis Collins, BioLogos is bringing the Good News to those who are struggling to reconcile their Christian faith with the unfolding facts on origins and evolution. BioLogos stands as a witness that the Truth we observe in creation is not in conflict with the One who created all things. ...”
And what kind of watch he's wearing.
And several six-packs.
And on Judgment Day, God will be asking “THIS is what you all had time to argue about????”
Yeah. That was Mohammed, not Adam.
And on Judgment Day, God will be asking “THIS is what you all had time to argue about????”
God inspiring man to write about a subject in his own words is not a problem, as God would have prepared that man from before time to carry out that task. Again, we go back to God’s soverignity versus man’s free will. We have free will in most things, but that doesn’t mean God doesn’t see ahead of time how it will work out and plan accordingly.
I do, however, disagree that Mankind is expected to carry out God’s will with only man’s powers. After all, if that were the case, then we would not have been told “not I, but Christ who strengthens me” to draw strength from.
Alone, we cannot carry out God’s will but by submitting ourself to God’s will and making our will subservant to His, He empowers us to carry out His will.
No, on Judgment Day, God will be saying “I told you it was this, why did you not believe me? Did you believe me when I promised you salvation or was that just another fairytale too?”
All or nothing.
Well, that's where Hawaii came from. They have brand new rock being created every day.
Wonder what happens if you carbon date the lava?
So you reply to my request for Scriptural support for your position by posting the opinions of another man.
Maybe he can save you too, since you don’t believe the report that God has given you. Read Romans 8 again and tell me how the creation can suffer a spiritual death when it has no soul. Only man was granted a soul, but all of creation is suffering because of the fall. That suffering is physical death caused by sin.
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