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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
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| 8/27/10
| Reginald Firehammer
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
When you say "investigate the truth," what truth are investigating? That no witnesses were ever named, and that even the authors who wrote about the unnamed witnesses are not named except according to the legend and tradition believed by the Church you reject? Glad you asked. I was doing a little research last night and I discovered quite a bit more concerning your "no eyewitnesses". First of all, many names are given in the scriptures and we know from history and "traditions" - see we aren't scared of that word - that they were real people. Remember, the books were written while many of those same eyewitnesses were still living and could have, would have, disputed the claims were they untrue.
Let's just look at the first few books of the NT (as far as I got last night). Although specific names were not given every time, and I think they weren't simply because it was not the point to glorify them, many of the people back then knew exactly who was being spoken of and we can know from the traditional works what some of those people went on to accomplish. BTW....what good would it do to give the name of the lepers healed by Jesus, we would not know who they were today, nor really care, would you?
From Matthew first few chapters, the people spoken of were:
Mary, Joseph, the Magi, the people who lived in Nazareth, John the Baptist, the people who lived in Capernium area of Zebulon and Naphtali, Simon Peter, Andrew his brother, James and John and their Dad, Zebedee, people in Galilee and Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, across the Jordan, all the crowd on the hillside during the sermons, the man healed of leprosy, the Capernium centurian and his servant who was healed, Peter's mother-in-law.
I could go on, but I hope you see my point. Read for yourself the accounts of those healed, who believed, who spoke both for and against the teachings and actions of Jesus and his disciples. Their voices cry out to me and I find it hard to believe they were all some figment of someone's imagination.
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posted on
10/20/2010 2:32:43 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
To: maryz
It's the Catholics on this thread who have been insisting (in the face of opposition from the Calvinists and possibly others) that God is love.
You say God is love. Do you know HIM?
To: presently no screen name
To: RnMomof7
The fact that some will take instruction from one that doubts Gods existence speaks for itself..
The blind leading the blind and insisting they can see better than anyone else - and they don't know what they are looking for.
But very sure what they don't want - God's Holy Word.
Deception knows no bounds as witnessed here.
To: kosta50; metmom; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Quix; smvoice; bkaycee; wmfights
I am not aware of that being a practice in any of the Protestant churches I have attended in my life
Most of Protestant "services" (at least those that are not liturgical) consits of a preacher babbling endlessly. I'm sorry, somehow I had fooled myself into believing I wasn't dealing with an idiot.
13,565
posted on
10/20/2010 2:50:49 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: maryz
How did you get to know Him?
To: MarkBsnr
Then we might define the arena as exclusively the US alone. In the US arena, the percentage of Catholics of the total population has been stable for some time now at just shy of 25%, as opposed to any claims of anything else. Fair? No it's not fair. It's propaganda and borderline dishonest.
13,567
posted on
10/20/2010 2:54:08 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Natural Law; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
A few more days on this thread and I am going to need a liver transplant. It would be a waste of a scarce resource to transplant a good liver if the brain is already pickled.
13,568
posted on
10/20/2010 3:03:48 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: boatbums; MarkBsnr; kosta50; D-fendr
"I just question why it seems few Catholics here do little more than praise his every post even when it makes their own faith out to look like it's based on myths and no different from any other of the myriads "manmade" religions." Have you missed his hatred toward non-liturgical Protestant Churches? That's enough for some.
13,569
posted on
10/20/2010 3:08:05 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
"It would be a waste of a scarce resource to transplant a good liver if the brain is already pickled."Its a good thing for you then that Christianity is a faith of the heart and not the brain.
13,570
posted on
10/20/2010 3:34:47 PM PDT
by
Natural Law
(Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
To: OLD REGGIE; boatbums; MarkBsnr; kosta50; D-fendr
"non-liturgical Protestant Churches" Is that even a real classification since even the KKK or the cast of the Rocky Horror Picture Show would qualify as a "non-liturgical Protestant Church" if they harbor even the slightest hatred toward the Catholic Church?
13,571
posted on
10/20/2010 3:39:33 PM PDT
by
Natural Law
(Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
To: Natural Law
13,572
posted on
10/20/2010 3:48:28 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: presently no screen name
How did you get to know Him? At first? Can't remember -- I was too young; I don't remember a time when I didn't know Him. Naturally, I've learned more about Him and learned to know Him better over the years.
To: Dr. Eckleburg
In actuality I do not drink. I was raised by alcoholics and saw the destruction it brings. I was making sport of your addiction to insulting "Rome" with your every post.
(Before you go there my mother was a Lutheran.)
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posted on
10/20/2010 3:53:54 PM PDT
by
Natural Law
(Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
To: smvoice
Jesus Christ did NOT die so you could impress Him by eating fish on Fridays. Mercy! A REAL testimony! Preach it, sister!
13,575
posted on
10/20/2010 4:04:26 PM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
To: Dr. Brian Kopp
sure, that’s why you have all the growth in Pentecostalism
13,576
posted on
10/20/2010 4:10:13 PM PDT
by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: OLD REGGIE; kosta50
hatred toward non-liturgical Protestant Churches? What's not to love:
13,577
posted on
10/20/2010 4:15:43 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: maryz
I've learned more about Him and learned to know Him better over the years.
How did you learn about Him and learn to know Him better?
To: smvoice
13,579
posted on
10/20/2010 4:22:23 PM PDT
by
Jaded
(Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
To: smvoice
Mark, why did Jesus Christ have to die? Seriously, what does the RCC teach about the death of Christ? And what about the resurrection of Christ? What was the reason for that? Or is there any real reason for it, according to the RCC? What is this RCC moniker from you, anyway.
If you wish to discuss this more thoroughly, please read Hebrews 9, as well as the Passions in each Gospel first. Then, we can discuss either here on the open forum or in PM.
13,580
posted on
10/20/2010 4:28:08 PM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
(A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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