Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
It's not so much Protestants as such, and I understand the "Hey, we agree on the important stuff," answer. It's the wide, wide range of Sola Scriptura opinions that I want to get a grip on. Arianism, non-Trinitarianism, Sabbatarianism, the whole Millerite family, not to mention the less exotic disagreements of Arminianism v. pedal-to-the-metal TULIPism.
I'm not trying to score some point here. There IS a need for Catholics to give some account for Father Joe Easy who teaches his flock that, yeah, there's Humanae Vitae and all,, but if you have to contracept, well, you gotta do what you gotta do.
And there continue to be examples which are less blatant examples of disobedience, like the so-called "Fundamental Option" theory which J2P2 expressly condemned, but not in a ex cathedra way.
But in the RC Church I am confident, as I was not in the Episcopal Church, that if someone comes to Father A and asks if it's okay to have an abortion and he says yes, I can go to a Bishop or a document and point out that no, it's not okay.
In the Episcopal Church you used to be able to get whatever answer you wanted by asking the right priest. NOW a priest who was pro-life would take a LOT of grief and probably shuffled off to some "Anglo-Catholic" ghetto -- which, no doubt would be peopled by homosexuals and alcoholics.
When I was a chaplain in Boston, I was having a late supper after a rough evening and saw the elderly Rector of the nearby ex-tuh-REEM-ly "high" Church of the Advent being gently and respectfully assisted out of his barstool and to the door. He was almost too drunk to walk. I thought, "Hey, THAT's a great witness!"
Your understanding of Unitarianism appears to be as shallow as wagglebee's.
If you had said "it is possible to find Unitarians who believe in almost anything or nothing." I would agree with you.
Many Unitarians believe the Bible is the Word of God. Now, the interpretation of this Word is another story. :-)
I don’t consider myself “saved.”
I consider myself “fully invested.”
I think I’m almost serious.
Some do. Some don't. Most have difficulty with the orthodox interpretation of the Bible.
Go back and read what I wrote, I never suggested that Unitarians don’t believe the Bible. I think Unitarianism is based on heretically flawed interpretations of the Bible, but that is not the same as saying they don’t believe it.
Well, the word you used in the post I replied to here was "saved":
You claim all these Catholics are saved?
If you find it too difficult to stay on subject..
It's accurate to say a primary subject of this thread is soteriology - comparing at least two views of salvation. It's on subject to ask what a poster's view is of what it means to be "saved." What is your view on this subject?
Your understanding of Unitarianism appears to be as shallow as wagglebee's.
That could be, I guess the insignia of all the worlds major religions on Unitarian churches, kinda turned me off from further investigation.
Do these 2 answers from the UU Church of Nashua represent your understanding of what the UU church of today teaches?
How do you regard the Bible?
"We regard the Bible as one of many important religious texts but do not consider it unique or exclusive in any way. We do not interpret it literally. We think some parts of it offer more truth and relevance than other parts. Although UUs respect the Bible and regard some of its content as great literature, it is not a central document in our religion."
Do you believe in Jesus?
"We do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, performed miracles and was resurrected from death. We do admire and respect the way he lived, the power of his love, the force of his example and his system of values."
"Most UUs regard Jesus as one of several important moral and ethical teachers who have shown humans how to live a life of love, service and compassion. Though some of us may question whether Jesus was an actual historical figure, we believe his teachings are of significant moral value." http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q6
The following is a direct quote.
"Unitarians don't believe the bible."
Did you intend it to be declatory or is it simply a punctuation error?
Most have difficulty with the orthodox interpretation of the Bible.
That would a small "o" orthodox. Would it be correct to say that includes most Protestant interpretations as well - more specifically those expressed on this thread concerning the major topics of the Trinity and salvation?
Well, the word you used in the post I replied to here was "saved":
You claim all these Catholics are saved?
If you find it too difficult to stay on subject..
It's accurate to say a primary subject of this thread is soteriology - comparing at least two views of salvation. It's on subject to ask what a poster's view is of what it means to be "saved." What is your view on this subject?
"Saved" was his word. Not mine. I repeat. Ask him.
LOL, sort of. (Was Cushing an alcoholic? I don’t know these things.)
I know his view, I’m asking yours.
I don’t know why this is so difficult.
The former could certainly consider themselves focussed on Scripture; the latter, not so much.
"Unitarians don't believe the bible."
Did you intend it to be declatory or is it simply a punctuation error?
The direct quote was made by bkaycee in post #7531.
My response in post #7536 was:
As far as I can tell most Protestants don't either.
Still, after all is said and done, he was a fine man.
I heard from someone who knew him that Cardinal Cushing was fairly typical of the South Boston stereotype.
He was a very human and likeable man. Also, very ecumenical in his thoughts and actions.
WHAT WOULD CARDINAL CUSHING DO
That began to change around 1950, O’Connor said. Archbishop Richard Cushing had a Jewish brother-in-law he adored; Cushing, who was elevated to cardinal in 1958, appeared regularly at events with Jewish leaders and worked steadily to improve interfaith relations. He invited Boston philanthropist Ray Tye, who was Jewish and died in March, to head Catholic Charities more than a half-century ago.
Cardinal Cushing-Ecumenical
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