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Testimony of a Former Irish Priest
BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg
You really ought to do your homework. One would think that anyone who lies so often would be better at it by now. FR has too much of the Pajama media in it to get away with your Dan Rather like information. I happen to have known the Fr. Bob Curtis who was present at the Duke's baptism.

Do you suppose John Wayne, born and brought up a Presbytarian, was never baptized.

What was Fr. Bob Curtis doing at the baptism of a Protestant?

4,681 posted on 07/31/2010 6:14:31 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Natural Law

When you learn how to google, get back to us.


4,682 posted on 07/31/2010 6:14:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, he wasn’t buried in a catholic cemetery.


4,683 posted on 07/31/2010 6:15:05 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: MarkBsnr

One in four. Not bad.


4,684 posted on 07/31/2010 6:15:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg
I guess in any context. I mean when is Jesus NOT the Son of Mary?

I wasn't being cryptic. Many verses in Scripture speak about Jesus' mother, Mary, i.e., John 2:12 "After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days." So in that context he is called the son of Mary. He is also called the Son of God. My point was that Mary is the mother of Jesus but it does not mean, to me, that she is the Mother of God. How about we agree that it is a "mystery" that Mary can be the Mother of the Incarnate Word, Jesus Christ, but not the Mother of God?

4,685 posted on 07/31/2010 6:17:57 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"John Wayne, according to his daughter, his friends, his relatives and newspaper accounts at the time of his death, all acknowledge Wayne was born, raised and died a Presbyterian."

Stee-rike Three!

You saying doesn't make it so. In fact you saying it is pretty conclusive proof that it is false, given your track record with the truth.

4,686 posted on 07/31/2010 6:18:13 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

This is an honest question by many Protestants.

Quite simply the doctrine was believed for hundreds of years yet had never been dogmatically defined. Basically, that means there is no more debate.

At the time of the declaration as dogma of the Assumption of Mary, there was much debate due to the influence of communism and its rejection of religion in general, Catholicism in particular. Mary had warned of the rise of communism and encouraged Catholics to pray for its fall. The Church declared that which the Church had held to be true for many years, was no longer up for debate, Mary was in heaven with her Son.

There are relatively few dogma that have been formally defined as absolutely binding upon a Catholic.

The Holy Trinity: A Catholic must believe in the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Three Persons, One God

The Fall and Original Sin: A Catholic must believe that there was a great fall and in original sin.

The Incarnation, Redemption and the Real Presence: A Catholic must believe that Jesus, is the Incarnate Word of God and that He was born of a virgin, suffered and died on the cross and arose again. Our redemption is gained only by the Incarnation. A Catholic must believe that Jesus is real and truly present in body, blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist.

The Seven Sacraments:Baptism, Confession, Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders and Extreme Unction.

The Church: A Catholic must believe that the Church was founded by Jesus, and that it is one, holy, catholic and apostolic.

Mary: A Catholic must believe that Mary was born free from original sin due to the grace of God and the nature of her Son. A Catholic must also believe that Mary was ever virgin and that she was assumed into heaven by her Son upon her death.

Everything else is just a filling out of these dogma and this is known as doctrine. For example, the nature of Jesus would fall under the dogma of the Holy Trinity. The Magisterium, church hierarchy(including the nature of each office) and infallibility of the pope would fall under the dogma of the Church which derives its authority from Scripture and Tradition under the perfect guidance of the Holy Spirit. And of course those doctrines relating to Mary would fall under the dogma of Mary.

Each of these was formally declared due to heresies that caused the faithful to lose faith.

This is but a rudimentary explanation. Further and far better edification, if one is truly interested, can be found in reading the Catechism, early Church Fathers and Doctors and other Catholic material which had the imprematur of a bishop showing it is free from error.


4,687 posted on 07/31/2010 6:19:30 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: MarkBsnr
Agreed. Yet we are speaking of faith. If we found a letter from John that was proven (!) to be accurate and correct, would you then adopt the Catholic Faith?

Of course you know that is impossible. Too, too many "proven" documents used by the RCC have proven to be false dontchano.
4,688 posted on 07/31/2010 6:19:36 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law; Jvette
The majority of those tall tales are fiction.

Prove it!
4,689 posted on 07/31/2010 6:20:59 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente
You're referencing my post POST 4510

As anyone can see returning to that post, this is the link I posted...

JOHN WAYNE

4,690 posted on 07/31/2010 6:21:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Deo volente
And this is all i ask. truth. and honesty. As i'm sure you do.

Grace to you, Deo volente.

4,691 posted on 07/31/2010 6:24:48 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Deo volente
"there are MANY more Protestants than Roman Catholics.”

... in hell!

I saw that posting but am still considering responding to it...again. She pulled the same outburst about a month ago citing the same flawed Pew study. When challenged she stated that there were "many" corroborating studies but she was unable to produce a single one. She only reiterated her earlier post and then claimed there were dozens of corroborating studies. When pressed further she offered a different link to the same flawed study and shrieked away in a cloud of petulance.

Stay tuned, the Nazi pope and pederast priest posts are next in her cycle.

4,692 posted on 07/31/2010 6:25:08 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Jvette
And to you, Jvette. Thanks for the truth.

Grace to you, svitw

4,693 posted on 07/31/2010 6:26:19 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Natural Law
He could have been “conditionally” baptized if there was any doubt about an earlier baptism. Really, it's done all the time. Often with adult converts there isn't even any paperwork to prove that an earlier baptism occurred.
This is a canonical requirement of the Church for adult converts. The Church wants to be sure that baptism is not necessary now because the person had already been baptized. That's how seriously the Church takes the sacrament.
4,694 posted on 07/31/2010 6:27:49 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Natural Law
The ONLY person to insist Wayne was awake when he received last rites is the UCLA chaplain who supposedly gave them to him. Even Wayne's son said he wasn't even in the room.

Wayne's daughter denies her father's conversion. Friends deny it. Co-workers deny it.

But we have one priest who says after the fact that when he was alone with Wayne he was alert enough (hours from death) that he gave up his lifelong Presbyterian faith and joined Rome. Wayne had three RC wives. If he had wanted to convert, he had ample opportunity.

Wayne was born and died a Presbyterian. Deal with it.

4,695 posted on 07/31/2010 6:30:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

The Catholic Church teaches that revelation ended with the death of John, the last surviving Apostle.

Doctrine and theology flow from revelation.

It is like a room just before dawn that is engulfed in darkness, as dawn begins, shapes become discernible. As the sun rises, more and more is seen clearly.

No one claims that the Pope receives new revelation from Christ. The dogma of infallibility only means that when a pope makes a declaration of dogma, ex cathedra, that is from the chair of Peter, it is done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who protects the church and her members from error.

The dogma of papal infallibility does not mean that the pope is without sin or that his every utterance is protected from error by the Holy Spirit. Only that which is binding and that has occurred very seldom in the Church’s history.

To say otherwise is a deliberate misleading of the reality.


4,696 posted on 07/31/2010 6:30:48 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You posted the other link, too, which came up empty.

Page Not Found.


4,697 posted on 07/31/2010 6:32:51 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Natural Law; MarkBsnr

Ping to the correcting of deo’s post here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2554678/posts?page=4690#4690

Once again RCs are congratulating themselves on their own errors.


4,698 posted on 07/31/2010 6:33:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

The Scriptures referred to in these passages is in fact the OT, which Jesus used to show that He is the Messiah.
How could Jesus have died and rose according to the NT Scriptures that had yet to be written?

Remember, when the letter to the Corinthians was written it was not considered scripture.


4,700 posted on 07/31/2010 6:35:20 PM PDT by Jvette
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