Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
At least his are true.
I had to go and read the post to which you were responding as I skim and skip over a lot of the pablum spewed by certain posters. But, the dog has a mother caught my attention....
If that post alone does not convince you of the absolute futility in any interaction with such insanity I can’t imagine what would.
Some people should never be allowed out in public.
Your post #4584:
“But THAT IS what your Church teaches isn’t it? That you are receiving revelations from Christ? And that He gives them to the Pope, or the Magsterium, which is why they are “infallible”, and on and on. Throughout the centuries...The revelations just go on and on until the last of the ‘faithful’ remaining is no longer.”
post #4588:
If she were in heaven bodily, ALL THAT TIME, did HE not see her sitting on the right on of Jesus Christ, and feel the need to LET YOU ALL KNOW SHE WAS THERE, BODILY? That’s a LONG wait for THAT revelation, my friend.
and this post:
Why, with these ongoing revelations, would God wait until 1946 to reveal the Assumption of Mary? If she were in heaven bodily, ALL THAT TIME, did HE not see her sitting on the right on of Jesus Christ, and feel the need to LET YOU ALL KNOW SHE WAS THERE, BODILY? That’s a LONG wait for THAT revelation, my friend.
This post is for you, so I wanted to make SURE you got it.
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Oh, I got it alright. Your posts reveal a basic, and all-too-common, misunderstanding about the nature of Catholic Tradition and Revelation. The Pope does not receive “visions” and then decide to create doctrines out of them. No such thing. That’s not how Tradition works in the Church. Private revelations, which are not binding on the faithful nor part of the official teachings, are another matter entirely.
This should help clear things up:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13001a.htm
It remains here to distinguish the Christian Revelation or “deposit of faith” from what are termed private revelations. This distinction is of importance: for while the Church recognizes that God has spoken to His servants in every age, and still continues thus to favour chosen souls, she is careful to distinguish these revelations from the Revelation which has been committed to her charge, and which she proposes to all her members for their acceptance. That Revelation was given in its entirety to Our Lord and His Apostles. After the death of the last of the twelve it could receive no increment. It was, as the Church calls it, a deposit — “the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude, 2) — for which the Church was to “contend” but to which she could add nothing. Thus, whenever there has been question of defining a doctrine, whether at Nicæa, at Trent, or at the Vatican, the sole point of debate has been as to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture or in Apostolic tradition. The gift of Divine assistance (see I), sometimes confounded with Revelation by the less instructed of anti-Catholic writers, merely preserves the supreme pontiff from error in defining the faith; it does not enable him to add jot or tittle to it. All subsequent revelations conferred by God are known as private revelations, for the reason that they are not directed to the whole Church but are for the good of individual members alone, They may indeed be a legitimate object for our faith; but that will depend on the evidence in each particular case. The Church does not propose them to us as part of her message. It is true that in certain cases she has given her approbation to certain private revelations. This, however, only signifies:
* that there is nothing in them contrary to the Catholic Faith or to the moral law, and,
* that there are sufficient indications of their truth to justify the faithful in attaching credence to them without being guilty of superstition or of imprudence.
agreed:)
RCs even go so far as to claim your soul and mine which they believe will either capitulate to the papacy or will burn in hell. lol.
John Wayne died of stomach cancer on June 11, 1979, and was interred in the Pacific View Memorial Park cemetery in Corona del Mar. Rumours regarding Duke's death bed conversions to Catholicism circulated for a brief while following his death. However, many close to John Wayne including Dave Grayson and Duke's daughter Aissa have dismissed these allegations stating that Duke was not conscious when the alleged conversion actually took place.
Ah, those unconscious conversions. I suppose they're preferable to the conscious ones which have no excuse. 8~)
So what? Your friend could well have been standing there when last rites were administered to Wayne's unconscious body, per the request of some of his RC children.
Wayne's own daughter denies he converted on his deathbed or anywhere else.
And as far as John Ford goes, Ford was a fanatical RC who was always pushing Wayne to join the papacy.
Wayne refused. Wayne was born and raised Presbyterian. He died Presbyterian. Those who knew Wayne know the truth.
Rome is notorious for “deathbed conversions.”
Like so much else, they just make it up.
"...We wish to know if you, Venerable Brethren, with your learning and prudence consider that the bodily Assumption of the Immaculate Blessed Virgin can be proposed and defined as a dogma of faith...;_Deiparae Virginis Mariae.
1946. Pope Pius sends a letter to the bishops of the world concerning the Assumption of Mary.
In order to respond to the Pope, the bishops needed to determine the source of the belief in the Assumption of Mary. Was it just a legend, believed by a few Catholics? Or was it a part of the deposit of faith, revelation handed down from the apostles? The Church could only define it as dogma if it were the latter. SO where do the bishops search for the answer? Scripture and Tradition. Of course, Scripture had no teaching of Mary's death, burial, resurrection, or Assumption. So on to Tradition they went. And that's where they found their doctrine on the Assumption of Mary. With supporting Scripture that is NOT explicit, but IMPLICIT. And can only be understood by those who contemplate and study and ponder these things in their hearts. The faithful and their "supernatural appreciation of the faith" . the sensus fidelium, the concensus of faith. It is an "...instinctive sensitivity and discrimination which the members of the Church possess in matters of faith. In that which the faithful hold in common to be the true Catholic faith, they are infallible and "cannot err in matters of belief."
I hope you are holding your breath while waiting.
I had the pleasure of meeting Patrick Madrid after a seminar he taught regarding Apologetics, especially, “Is Catholicism Biblical?”. What a wonderful man. His wife is incredible. They have 11 children and he is a tireless defender of the faith.
The Eastern Church teaches the Assumption. We believe that she died a human, physical death and was resurrected and taken to heaven. The Feast of the Dormition is a major feast (proceed by a 14 day fast.
You do? I thought you liked me...sniff.
Some, and the Maryknoll Sister in the next room, aren't.
Like THIS for an example. Jesus was born of a virgin. Named Mary.
And by that, you deduce she was immaculately conceived herself,never sinned, and is sitting on the right hand of Christ, dispensing grace.
My father died in 1966 as a result of injuries suffered in a car accident.
He and my mother had been married 12 years and had 7 living children, the oldest 10, me in the middle just 5 and the youngest 1.
All seven of us were baptized and brought up Catholic.
His family were all Methodists, even having some preachers and several missionaries.
Before he died, he became Catholic, made a full confession, received the Eucharist and what was then called Last Rights.
His family never forgave my mother for his conversion.
Now that’s just mean! LOL
Wayne's background was heads above that of the current false bishop of Rome
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