Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Logically, that would include all the Canon
the Canon
as ARRANGED BY GOD, not man.
Yep, it ain’t the words, it’s who gets to interpret them. You say “logically”. I say, where does the Bible say that there is or should be a canon and who gets to say what’s in it and what isn’t?
You really ought to do your homework. One would think that anyone who lies so often would be better at it by now. FR has too much of the Pajama media in it to get away with your Dan Rather like information. I happen to have known the Fr. Bob Curtis who was present at the Duke's baptism.
Some men in the 16th century decided to throw out seven books of the Canon, as ARRANGED BY GOD (in your words).
What was that all about?
It’s logical to assume that God has always had the capacity to arrange that any number of ways . . .
And I Cor 14 indicates that a local congregation of believers are sufficient to help discern what is of God and what isn’t.
And . . . over 300+ years . . . believers did.
It seems to me, most knew well before that.
It was nice to have a kind of formal declaration made.
However, congregations knew well before that, at least what the essential very kosher books to include were.
Thank you for finally recognizing and affirming Apostolic Tradition and the role of the Holy Spirit in the living process of the Revealed Word of God.
Something tells me he didn’t mean to do that, but he just did!
:)
Doh!
We do not have the proofs today from the Apostle John; the earliest account that I have been able to find is from Gregory of Tours.
Legend "It is said" etc. Just doesn't cut it. Actual, proveable documentation from an eyewitness or, best yet, from the Apostle.
Agreed. Yet we are speaking of faith. If we found a letter from John that was proven (!) to be accurate and correct, would you then adopt the Catholic Faith?
I'm not sure of all the details, but I can find an authoritative source if you would like.
Indeed I do. And I will call on our resident space alien to corroborate them.
Removing books from the Bible by Martin Luther and successive generations of Reformers is heretical and worthy of excommunication from the Church.
The Jews and those dreaded "Protestants" simply kept the 20 gallons which only the Jews were authorized to put into the tank.
The books were put into the Septuagint, which almost the entire Jewish nation world wide used. It was the anti Catholic Council of Jamnia 60 years after Jesus died, was resurrected and Ascended, that decided in reaction to the dreaded Christian cult springing up, that they would remove the Septuagint from consideration and went with the Hebrew OT.
The precedent is awful; not only Scripture can be modified by Martin Luther's any milkmaid, but so can the basic doctrines of Christianity.
Have you and Quix banded together for new efforts on time travel into alternate realities? It is true that Constantine was baptized on his deathbed, but that supports your points how?
(Sadly, Dr. Eckleburg left the room a few seconds prior to the miraculous last second enlightenment of her father-in-law. He died a happy man.)
I have no doubt. I would feel the same way.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Solemn_Mass
Solemn Mass (Latin: missa solemnis), sometimes also referred to as Solemn High Mass or simply High Mass, is, when used not merely as a description, the full ceremonial form of the Tridentine Mass, celebrated by a priest with a deacon and a subdeacon, [1] requiring most of the parts of the Mass to be sung, and the use of incense. The term “High Mass” is also used in the United States to describe the more common Missa Cantata, which lacks deacon and subdeacon and some of the ceremonies connected with them.
These terms distinguish the form in question from that of Low Mass and Missa Cantata.
The parts assigned to the deacon and subdeacon are often done by Priests in vestments proper to those roles.
A Solemn Mass celebrated by a bishop has its own particular ceremonies and is referred to as a Solemn Pontifical Mass.
The infrequency of the occurance, the number of times claimed, the posting history and the only occasional acquaintance with the truth of that poster, and the refusal to post even minimal corroborative evidence.
Despite the fact it is impossible to accurately compile a list of 33,000 Denominations, you might have noticed that the number of "Protestant" denominations listed is far from 33,000.
These 33,000 are subdivided into "6 major ecclesiastico-cultural mega-blocs", and ordering them by denomination size we have (I am rounding up or down slightly for convenience, using year 2000 figures) :
Independents (about 22000)
Protestants (about 9000)
"Marginals" (about 1600)
Orthodox (781)
Roman Catholics (242)
Anglicans (168)
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Do you really want us to believe the following are "Protestant" Denominations?
Roman Catholics (242 denominations)
Now for the "Roman Catholic" denominations. These appear to be broken down by various rites:
Armenian (Eastern-rite Catholic)
Bulgarian (Byzantine rite)
Byzantine-rite (jurisdiction for more than one ethnic group)
Chaldean (Eastern Syrian rite)
Coptic (Alexandrian rite)
Ethiopic (Alexandrian rite)
Greek (Byzantine rite)
Hungarian (Byzantine rite)
Italo-Albanian (Byzantine rite)
Jurisdiction for both Latin-rite and Eastern-rite Catholics
Latin-rite Catholic
Malankara (Syro-Antiochian, Eastern Syrian), Syro-Malankarese
Maronite (Syro-Antiochian, Western Syrian)
Melkite (Byzantine, Greek Catholic; Arabic-speaking)
plural Oriental (jurisdiction for several Eastern rites)
Romanian Byzantine rite
Russian (Byzantine rite)
Ruthenian (Byzantine rite)
Slovak (Byzantine rite)
Syro-Malabarese (Eastern Syrian)
Syrian, Syriac-speaking (Syro-Antiochian, West Syrian)
Ukrainian Byzantine rite
When you walk behind a herd of oxen and liberally throw around what you pick up your hands might stink.
Many thanks, DV.
CYC - does this answer your question?
Your point is irrelevant, because I never said that the 33,000 denominations were all Protestant. Many of them are, however.
By the way, the Eastern Catholic churches are all under the jurisdiction of the Pope in Rome, so they are all part of the Catholic Church.
Folksy witticisms aside, if you don't like the number offer up another. Even if it is "only" 3,300 it is confirmation that even Protestants can't agree on the meaning of Scripture to the point of schism. In fact, the only thing Protestants can agree on is a hatred of Catholicism. How ironic that it is yet another thing they share with Islam.
Old Veggie isn't interested in facts, they get in the way of too many smears.
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