No, I stand by my statement. My church has NEVER taught that women are inferior. Your arguments are just strawmen - citing the writings of LDS leaders, especially those of the 19th century, does NOT make LDS doctrine.
As I’ve pointed out repeatedly over the years; LDS doctrine is only what is found in our Scriptures and in official proclamations by the LDS leadership. The same things indubitably holds true in your church and in ALL OTHER churches.
Can you point out a single passage in the Latter-day Scriptures where we teach women are inherently inferior to women? Of course not. You have to resort to the personal writings and opinions of certain LDS leaders. I’ve no doubt if I did the same to you concerning your church’s defense of slavery in the 19th century or why women couldn’t become ministers; you would protest that those statements were only their personal opinion and have nothing to do with your church’s official stance even though they were official proclamations.
Right?
That is the HONEST thing to do.
And yet, I see strawmen and non sequiturs in most of your arguments. “outrageously egotistical and sexist”? That’s an argument without foundation. So today’s moral sensibilities are eternal truths and will not be viewed as naive and ignorant by our descendants hundreds of years from now?
What does usage of prescription drugs by women have to do with the belief they are treated as inferior? There are enough stresses in women’s lives, especially LDS women with the emphasis on taking time every month to visit and provide service to each other, to justify taking medication. I take prescription drugs every day to stave off the grim reaper while my wife takes none. Do you seriously think such usage makes me believe I’m being treated as an inferior?
Perhaps you’re referring to psychiatric medication, the drug of choice of combat veterans, first responders, stock brokers, and business executives? If so, then you’re saying elevated use of these psychotropic medication means the patient needs it because they are considered inferior?
Are you serious?!
As for using the word “never” - I use it when I’m absolutely certain of what I’m saying. I don’t pretend my church hasn’t changed some of its doctrines over the years - it has and I don’t find doctrinal modification to be fatal when it corrects a misperception.
No, I stand by my statement. My church has NEVER taught that women are inferior.
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Edward...
You know that according to the mormon corporation, women dont measure up to men...
Whether for political expediency or just because of the bursted dam of information, the mormon corporation has now decided to lie about its sexist past just as it lies about its racist past up to 1978...
However the 180 years of documentation written by mormons say differently...
Unlike Christianity, mormons have a goddess but women are not respected...
If women had always been in leadership then your argument might be valid...
But women have NEVER been the prophet/president, a menber of the quorum of 12, a 70,
a stake president, a ward president, a bishop, a MTC president, teacher, a mission president...
No corporation would ignore their best people
Even in the mormopn after life, women are just to be used as sex objects by the mormon males “gods”...
and yet you attempt to tell us that women are higher esteemed than men, more righteous etc...
and still passed over for lesser men for leadership positions ...
Women have always been second class citizens in mormonism, bearly accepted other than as necessary sex partners ...
The ones with the sexual obsession were Joey Smith and Brigham young and their sort...
Joey had no trouble getting males to join his gang...he just offered them lots of women and ill gotten gains...
Many of his first “converts” were whore mongers, cutthroats and thieves justy like himself...
He had a horde of 5,000+ in his private Army...almost as many as the US Calvary at that time...(8,000)
But they were like a drug cartel, gathered for no good...and to protect Joey and kill and steal for him...
Women were treated like “molls” then...to be shared around by the gang members....and treated like dirt...
When a new women came to town Joey Smith and Brigham Young would get her alone in a room and indecently proposition her...when they tired of her they would pass her on...
And the attitude towards women has not changed today...
Mormon males salivate at the thought of their mormon after life where they think they will be “gods” with a harem of 72 virgins...
Obsession over sex ???
I’m not the one who accidently built a whole religion around his sexual obsession...and his low opinion of women...
That was Joey Smith...
And marriage for “time and eternity” in mormonism ???
No such thing...
The mormon male can has control over his wife’s eternity...
He can decide not to call her out of the grave and if so she doesnt get to go to the mormon afterlife with him and be part of his “worthy” harem...
If he’s not “worthy” himself, she doesnt get to go either whether or not she is worthy...
If she is worthy, and somehow gets to go, she can be taken off her less worthy husband and given to a complete stranger who is “worthy” to whom she must submitt sexually as his sex slave for eternity...
None of this is related to the treeatment of women who are held in high esteem...
This is the way the mormon corporation thinks of women...just as chattel...as objects, furniture to be used...
But in Christianity women are treated differently...
Jesus came to set women free from slavery and imprisonment of cults like mormonism...John 8:36
In Christianity women are equal with men...
Jesus died for male and female....and all of us have the same reward and place in Heaven...Galations 3:28
There is no sex in Heaven...no marriage...we are “as the angels are” Matthew 22:30
We will not be remote, on a planet somewhere, cut off from God...
We will be right in the throne room of God...worshipping the Lamb who is Jesus, the Word of God...
Jesus is God...God come in the flesh...
He is to be worshipped...mormons teach that Jesus is not to be worshipped...but the Christian Bible says diferent...Matthew 2:11, Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 12:8
And women will be right there with men...in Heaven worshipping the Lamb of God...
The basic fact that throughout the 19th century your apostles and prophets considered women/wives no different than cattle means that fundamentally your ABSOLUTE assertion that lds NEVER taught women to be inferior. Once polygamy faded away, that inferiority just found release in different outlet.
As I’ve pointed out repeatedly over the years; LDS doctrine is only what is found in our Scriptures and in official proclamations by the LDS leadership. The same things indubitably holds true in your church and in ALL OTHER churches.
Just because it may be written down (and there are a lot of things the LDS don't follow) doesn't mean the practice doesn't happen. APOSTLE McConkie stated ""woman's primary place is in the home, where she is to rear children and abide by the righteous counsel of her husband". At age twelve, boys become members of the Aaronic, or lesser priesthood, and at nineteen become eligible for the Melchezedek, or higher priesthood. Women are, of course, excluded from the priesthood. This practice in effect says that a woman's prepubescent son is more qualified to advise her than she is to advise him. But never inferior eh eddie.
And yet, I see strawmen and non sequiturs in most of your arguments. “outrageously egotistical and sexist”? That’s an argument without foundation. So today’s moral sensibilities are eternal truths and will not be viewed as naive and ignorant by our descendants hundreds of years from now?
Just like the eternal polygamy was until the prophet saw the 'light' eh. Since you are picking my “outrageously egotistical and sexist” out of context, lets put it back into context shall we. The whole quote is
To "think no more about taking another wife than I do of buying a cow." is outrageously egotistical and sexist.
So it is apparent that you are trying to weave a strawman NOW by changing your story to say it Kimball's "moral sensibilities" LOL, sorry eddie, save your time and stop digging.
What does usage of prescription drugs by women have to do with the belief they are treated as inferior? There are enough stresses in women’s lives, especially LDS women with the emphasis on taking time every month to visit and provide service to each other, to justify taking medication.
Sooooo, it is ok that LDS women ABUSE medications. Lets look into just what medications eddie. Studies in Utah show women leading men in depression by more than 2x. Utah #1 in the US in antidepressant-drug use, notably Prozac® and lds women are also 2x likely to be abusers. Womens choices are controlled by men - their entire life. She learns that she absolutely cannot enter the highest heavenly kingdom without a temple-married husband. She is totally dependent upon her husband because:
• Her husband will lead her by hand "through the veil" to celestial existence,
• Her role in heaven will be to continue forever bearing offspring for him as one of his wives.
• She knows there is no approved escape from this God-decreed, interminable destiny for females, because it is the system that existed for gods in pre-existent worlds prior to this earth, and will exist without end in the future for her, her husband-god and vast numbers of other gods.
As for using the word “never” - I use it when I’m absolutely certain of what I’m saying. I don’t pretend my church hasn’t changed some of its doctrines over the years - it has and I don’t find doctrinal modification to be fatal when it corrects a misperception.
License for intellectual dishonesty?