Posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:50 AM PDT by NYer
Demands? Can you name some? Can you name one?
See post #2
That's not the church you are describing...There are no 'weeds' in the church...
Thank-you you said it so well. :)
1. NOWHERE in your link does it say that the Emperor Constantine was Pontiff of the Church.
2. Constantine had already decided to abandon the city of Rome and move the seat of the Roman Empire to Constantinople. So, if he WERE to declare himself head of the Church it would never have made sense to have it in Rome.
3. Neither the Orthodox or ANY Protestant denomination has EVER disavowed the Council of Nicea or the Nicene Creed. This mean that all of Christianity repudiates your claims.
I’m just curious, YOU don’t believe in the Trinity, how come you are never on non-Catholic threads making false claims about Protestantism.
The Council of Nicea was summoned, and presided over, by the Emperor Constantine. Constantine, Pontifex Maximus of the Roman state religion. He called all the bishops of the eastern and western churches to attend. The bishop of Rome was invited to attend but he chose not to attend. One of the titles of the Roman Emperor was Pontifix Maximus, This title goes all the way back to Babylon and the beginnings of the mother-child Here was the magnificent temple of Esculapius, a pagan god The title of the Magian high priest of Babylon was "Chief Bridge Builder"
Revelation 2:13 'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; Revelation 2:14 'But I have a few things against you, because you Revelation 2:15 'So you also have some who in the same way
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
That may well be.
a title given to the Roman Emperor by the king of Ephesus
who had inherited the title from Babylon
cult under Nimrod of Genesis 10 and his wife Sumerimus. Later,
Julius Caesar was elected Pontifex Maximus and when he became Emperor,
he became the supreme civil and religious ruler and head of Rome
politically and religiously with all the power and functions of the Babylonian pontiff.
whose idol was in the form of a serpent.
The inhabitants were known as the chief temple keepers of Asia.
When the Babylonian cult of the Magians was driven out of Babylon,
they found a haven in Pergamum.
meaning the one who spans the gap between mortals and Satan and his hosts.
In Latin this title was written "Pontifex Maximus," Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith
even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam,
who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block
before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed
to idols and to commit {acts of} immorality.
hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
I believe that all Christians will go to Heaven but that subjects to the Roman Pontiff are going to get the best seats.
It doesn't say Romanists can't be saved...It says that Romanists are not saved just because they are Romanists...
You understand wrong. Most Catholics I know have read the entire Douay-Rheims by the time they were 15yo usually starting about the time they go through Confirmation.
anonymous internet guy
lol
Not according to scripture. “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” - Matthew 24:13
Clue #1: It is not talking about the end of any person’s life, but the end of a specified period of time being described by Jesus Christ.
Clue #2: It is “the end” of the period of time also described in Daniel chapter 9, and 2 Thessalonians ch 2 regarding the Man of Sin, Son of Perdition.
Clue #3: If verse 13 is literal (and it certainly is), the the preceding verses that form the context for v. 13 must also be literal.
Clue #4: The period of time of which “the end” in verse 13 is “the end” has not occured yet.
Second question: What is the “he” in “he that shall endure” to be “saved” from? What salvation is that.
Clue #5: Not every salvation in the Bible is referring to the salvation of the soul.
Clue #6: Most people will not endure to the end of the judgments spoken of in the verses preceding v. 13.
Clue #7: Some people’s physical existence will be saved from those calamities . . . . obviously, if they endure unto the end of them.
Got it, you disagree with all of Christianity, but the anti-Catholics bigots haven’t yet figured out that you disagree with them too.
Seriously? You mean the Catholic church does not demand you attend mass every week, or demand that you believe the pope is infallible, or that you must believe that Mary is the Mother of God, or a thousand other things that have nothing to do with Jesus.
Noooooo, YOU said this.
>>I would say that even a Romanist can be saved!<<
So which “Romanists” can’t be saved?
“Then why would our Lord have entrusted the forgiveness of sins to His Apostles?”
He didn’t, in the sense you describe. You can search the scripture for the idea of going to a priest and confessing one’s sins so they can be forgiven, but it isn’t there.
There is no example of an Apostle taking confession from a congregation. No mention of an Apostle ever doing so. In fact, there is no mention of priests, with the exception that we ALL are priests.
As the Apostle you set above all others - in a manner that would horrify him - says, “As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ...But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” - 1 Peter 2
And notice, we offer spiritual sacrifices - not the flesh and blood of Jesus being perpetually sacrificed in the Mass, but spiritual sacrifices: “that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light”.
The passage you reference says, “Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” - John 20
As Jesus forgave sins, so do we. How?
Look at how Jesus forgave sins. Did He hear confession? Did He prescribe penance? No, and No.
He proclaimed the Kingdom of Heaven to be near. He preached the Good News. “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him may have eternal life....Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”
This isn’t an exhaustive study, but here is what I could come up with using a concordance for the times Jesus forgave sins:
And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven.”...”For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? 6But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he then said to the paralytic—”Rise, pick up your bed and go home.” - Mt 9
Also in Mark 2 : “5 And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
And Luke 5: And when he saw their faith, he said, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.”
“46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” — Luke 7
Notice: When he saw their faith, he said ‘Your sins are forgiven’.
And in a similar passage to John 20, he tells the disciples on the road to Emmaus:
45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
What John 20 clearly teaches is that we - disciples, for not all the Apostles were even present in the John 20 passage - are to proclaim the Good News, as Jesus did, and to tell people “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
THAT is the forgiveness of sins entrusted to the disciples (John 20 specifies, “the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear”). The disciples of Jesus are sent “As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”
No priests. No hearing confession. No assigning penance.
We are given the commission the Father gave Jesus: proclaim the Good News: “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
“And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.” - John 20:22-23
And that is the Word of God.
Constantine, Pontifex Maximus of the Roman state religion.
LOL
St. Constantine was never Pope of the Catholic Church.
Please see post 114...doubt NYer will agree.
LOL
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
As I said all Romanists can be saved...But most would no longer be Romanists...
You should not project your own limitations upon others.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.