Oh, please...
Posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:50 AM PDT by NYer
Sunday blessings to all, ping!
Oh, please...
It’s up to God of course, but I’m sure the answer is “Yes.”
Quite right on both counts.
If one believes the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church, as well as many protestant cults, they are probably not saved as they place they preach another Jesus than the Scriptures preach.
I was a Catholic until I read the Scriptures and kneeled in my house and asked Jesus the Son of God to save me from my sin and make me one of His own.
1COR 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1COR 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1COR 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1COR 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
[PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS!]
GAL 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
GAL 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
GAL 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
GAL 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
GAL 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
GAL 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
GAL 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
GAL 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
GAL 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
GAL 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
GAL 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
GAL 1:14 And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
GAL 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,
GAL 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
GAL 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
GAL 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
GAL 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.
GAL 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
GAL 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
GAL 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
GAL 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
GAL 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
I am immediately suspect about ANY church or demonination which claims only their members can be saved.
The thief on the cross next to Jesus was told that that day he would enter paradise with Him, and all he said was, “Lord, remember me when you enter your kingdom”, a simple statement of faith in Jesus as God dying on the cross FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
Any church which claims only their members can be saved is a CULT.
No, what the Catholic Church preaches is another Jesus than your own personal interpretation of Scripture preaches.
What assurance do you have that your sins were forgiven? As a Catholic, you have one of the most beautiful gifts given by Christ - the Sacrament of Reconciliation. You recognize, of course, that in the Gospel of John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.
A really good read and thank-you very much for dispelling error and raising unity and hope in Christ with this post.
Blessings
Mel
Catholicism is nothing more than the pharisizing of Jesus’s teachings.
I can believe anonymous internet guy or I can believe Christ.
Sorry, anonymous internet guy.
See post #1!!
Bump for later need to pop a 5 gallon bucket of popcorn
“We declare, say, define and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
The nuancing of this into what the posted article says is complete nonsense. To say that Boniface VIII meant something other than what he said is nothing more than a futile attempt to maintain the fiction of the infallibility doctrine of Vatican I. I am sure the Latin Church wants to believe this. I am sure it wants the Orthodox to believe this. I don’t think we Orthodox should allow the Latin Church that fig leaf.
The way to deal with Unam Santam is to admit that Boniface VIII was simply wrong. The proclamation of dogma by Popes sua sponte has had precisely the sort of unforeseen consequences one would expect to flow from a heresy like the notion of papal infallibility.
P. do you think that Unam Sanctam could have come out of a true Ecumenical Council, even in 1302? You and I both know it wouldn’t have.
I notice it does not say "...absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to declare themselves to be be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
You can follow the man-made doctrine of Catholic teachings or you can follow the word of God.
No I cannot do that. There is no such thing.
I do, in the Church He founded for us to guide us and protect us from error: the Catholic Church.
Yeah; right after I finish War and Peace. Two days after Anglicans are welcomed into the Catholic Church you post this. Sorry, poor timing on your part.
“I notice it does not say “...absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to declare themselves to be be subject to the Roman Pontiff.””
No, it doesn’t. Are you making a distinction between witting and unwitting “subjects”? Surely you don’t think that Orthodoxy, in a reunited Church, would agree to allow the Latin Church to indulge in such a fiction, do you? The furthest Orthodoxy might go would be to allow the Papacy to insist that its own people be “subject” to it, but even that is problematical since such subjugation could not possibly be a sine qua non of theosis, which, of course, is what real dogma is.
>>...or you can follow the word of God.
>I do, in the Church He founded for us to guide us and protect us from error: the Catholic Church.
And if the Catholic Church at one time taught error, then where are you? Oh, that is where we have to use the old ‘private-interpretation,-and-not-really -taught-by-the-Church” trick...
“Missed it by THAT much...”
(”Would you believe two Boy Scouts and a pen knife?”)
That’s Ok there had to be one of us who would LOL
Mel
How many virgins does a martyr get if he only maims an infidel? I think the rule is you only get into heaven if you actually kill a non muslim but you get the virgins as a bomus if the infidel is a Jew or an American..
“PLEASE READ THIS THROUGH IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS!”
Why should I bother to read something that depends on such a provocative title to entice someone to read it.... besides I already know the answer.
In light of this hardest fact,theological debate is interesting but ultimately moot.
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Actually, I deserve hell, but thanks to Christ's mercy, His sacrifice, death and resurrection, I, a sinner, am saved by His Grace.
Doesn’t change the dominant fact—if you reach Heaven,you deserved to.
Only because Christ offered Himself for my sins. As He did for everyone.
And if raccoons had wings they could fly.
“What assurance do you have that your sins were forgiven?”
Can’t answer for kindred, but...
“14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.” — Romans 8
That said, the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith says (and I agree - it mirrors my own life closely):
18.1 Temporary believers and other unregenerate people may deceive themselves with futile and false hopes and unspiritual presumptions that they are in favour with God and in a state of salvation, but their hope will perish. [1] Yet those who truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, and endeavour to walk in all good conscience before him, may be certainly assured in this life that they are in the state of grace; they may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, knowing that such hope will never make them ashamed. [2]
1. Jeremiah 17:9 Matthew 7:21-23 Luke 18:10-14 John 8:41 Ephesians 5:6-7 Galatians 6:3,7-9
2. Romans 5:2,5 Romans 8:16 1 John 2:3 1 John 3:14,18-19,24 1 John 5:13 2 Peter 1:10
18.3 This infallible assurance is not an essential part of faith, for a true believer may wait a long time, and struggle with many difficulties before obtaining it. [1] Yet we may obtain it without extraordinary revelation and by the right use of ordinary means, for we are enabled by the Spirit to know the things which are freely given to us by God. [2] Therefore it is the duty of everyone to be as diligent as possible to make their calling and election sure, so that their hearts may be enlarged in peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, in love and thankfulness to God, and in strength and cheerfulness in carrying out the duties of obedience. These duties are the natural fruits of this assurance, for it is far from inclining people to loose living. [3]
1. Acts 16:30-34 1 John 5:13
2. Romans 8:15-16 1 Corinthians 2:12 Galatians 4:4-6 with Galatians 3:2 1 John 4:13 Ephesians 3:17-19 Hebrews 6:11-12 2 Peter 1:5-11
3. 2 Peter 1:10 Psalms 119:32 Romans 15:13 Nehemiah 8:10 1 John 4:19,16 Romans 6:1-2,11-13 Romans 14:17 Titus 2:11-14
Normally I avoid trolls. In this case, I will make an exception. The Catholic Church is the only Authentic Christian church founded by the second person of the Blessed Trinity. That’s history, not conjecture. Believe what you wish, just don’t dare play the hypocrite with history and others’ beliefs. And, by the way, the men other than Him that are involved are the original eleven Disciples of Christ. Who are you to denigrate them?
Non-Catholic here, and saved by the Grace of God since December 1977 . . . and know it.
Wonderful to know slavation and to know one is saved without having to read the long articles with a lot od useless Latin terms, isn’t it. Thanks for the Scripture. That gets the job done.
Thank you for posting this beautiful and illuminating article. I particularly appreciate the modest and Lewis-like tone in which it is written. This of course accords perfectly with what I have been reading recently in my perusals of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It’s a comfort.
~the OTTB mare, trudging slowly toward Rome
“The Catholic Church is the only Authentic Christian church founded by the second person of the Blessed Trinity. That’s history, not conjecture.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The post:
And if the Catholic Church at one time taught error...
And if raccoons had wings they could fly.
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Are you claiming here that the Catholic Church never, ever, EVER taught an error? Not one, itsy bitsy error?
Show me one.
“What assurance do you have that your sins were forgiven?”
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Wow, nice personal attack there.
Attack and run away.
I try to never argue with fools or liars.
...so...I guess I’ll just “run away” now.
Another personal attack. But no example of an error taught by the Catholic Church.
Have a nice day.
;-)
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