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Sorry but it isn't a yes or no answer. Answer my question first about the time, which exact instant in time? When the light reflects off the planet or when the light arrives on earth? You seem to be saying that light is instantaneous, that is the only context where your question makes any sense.

I am not saying that light is instantaneous. All I'm asking is this: Lets assume for the sake of our discussion (as we did for the sun) that we have a special gravity "sundial" which indicates the actual current position of Pluto, and that we have a normal sundial which indicates the apparent optical position of Pluto. In a planetary configuration where the earth rotates 102 degrees in the time it takes light to reach earth from Pluto, will the two "sundials" read about 102 degrees apart or not? Either they will or they won't! If they are about 102 degrees apart, then the answer is yes. If they aren't about 102 degrees apart, then the answer is no.

Did you not readily claim that in the case of the Sun, the two sundials would read about 2.1 degrees apart? [at the same time in the same place for an observer on earth, as always.] Why not just answer for Pluto as well?

The incident angle of gravity and of light are two separate things and can each be measured independently of eachother, at the same time, and for all practical purposes, in the same location on the earth. Both are a steady constant thing and there is no reason whatsoever for you to ask me "which exact instant in time? when the light reflects off of..." when all I'm asking you is what the incident angle of the two will be at the same time at the same point to an observer on the earth.

Since gravity direction and light direction are two different things which can both exist at the same time and at different angles then it is perfectly appropriate for me to ask "What's the angle difference where they hit the earth?" without going into any detail of what path they took to get here.!

Either the angles are about 102 degrees different or they are not! It is indeed a yes or no question. And I know you would love to side track me indefinitely on other issues rather then just answering this question because this question shows the wrongness of your statement and your understanding of physics and maybe even simple geometry.

You are claiming that at any given instant to an observer on the earth, the "sundial" and "Gravity sundial" will read about 2.1 degrees apart due to the earth's rotation of about 2.1 degrees in the 8.3 minutes it takes the sun's light to reach the earth, right? (I've always thought you were, and have told you many times so, and you never disagreed, so I'm assuming that is your claim. If it's not, it's long past time you should speak up about it!)

Don't forget that you've made many claims which I've debunked with references, and you haven't made a single reference which supports your claim. Furthermore, you haven't provided a single reference to show that my understanding of physics or geometry or planetary movement is wrong! (Nor have provided any references that show any of my claims are wrong!)

If I didn't know any better, I'd have to look over our conversation and assume that you don't know what you're talking about and aren't honest enough to say so.

So how about it? Pluto? Yes or no?

Thanks

-Jesse

Since gravity direction and light direction are two different things which can both exist at the same time and at different angles then it is perfectly appropriate for me to ask "What's the angle difference where they hit the earth?" without going into any detail of what path they took to get here.!

You are correct, "gravity direction and light direction are two different things which can both exist at the same time and at different angles". Figure it out yourself how they differ at different times : ) It isn't hard to do. I tire of repeating myself.

The bottom line is that you have acknowledged that apparent position (light direction) and absolute position (gravity direction) can be different. That was my point.

You can go on an calling me dishonest for saying something that you admit is true, but I tire of repeating myself. Don't you 'Christians' have a phrase, "casting your pearls before swine"? I have better uses of my time than trying to explain extremely simply concepts to someone who simply refuses to understand them.

Since you have stated that gravity direction and light direction are two different things which is all you were disagreeing with me about in the first place, I don't see the point in trying to explain anything further to you. You were obviously wrong as you now admit and I was right.

Because you haven't been honest, from now on I will simply consider you target practice : )