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Since gravity direction and light direction are two different things which can both exist at the same time and at different angles then it is perfectly appropriate for me to ask "What's the angle difference where they hit the earth?" without going into any detail of what path they took to get here.!

You are correct, "gravity direction and light direction are two different things which can both exist at the same time and at different angles". Figure it out yourself how they differ at different times : ) It isn't hard to do. I tire of repeating myself.

The bottom line is that you have acknowledged that apparent position (light direction) and absolute position (gravity direction) can be different. That was my point.

You can go on an calling me dishonest for saying something that you admit is true, but I tire of repeating myself. Don't you 'Christians' have a phrase, "casting your pearls before swine"? I have better uses of my time than trying to explain extremely simply concepts to someone who simply refuses to understand them.

Since you have stated that gravity direction and light direction are two different things which is all you were disagreeing with me about in the first place, I don't see the point in trying to explain anything further to you. You were obviously wrong as you now admit and I was right.

Because you haven't been honest, from now on I will simply consider you target practice : )

The bottom line is that you have acknowledged that apparent position (light direction) and absolute position (gravity direction) can be different. That was my point.

I have always not only acknowledged Stellar Aberration and Light Time Correction, but have expounded at length on them. The problem is that the sum of both phenomena together isn't even 21 arcseconds (There are 3600 arcseconds in a degree) and you are claiming 2.1 degrees for the sun and I guess 102 degrees for Pluto!

You can go on an calling me dishonest for saying something that you admit is true,

That's a lie! I never admitted that it was true that the gravity and light of sun were separated 2.1 degrees. And I never called you dishonest for claiming that the gravity and light were displaced by 20 arcseconds.

I'm calling you dishonest because you claimed that the light and gravity of the sun were 2.1 degrees displaced from eachother, at the same time, as measured at the same spot by an observer on the earth, then when you realized that you were wrong, you refuse to admit that you were wrong, but instead went on to say more and more strange stuff to try and cover up what you said.

but I tire of repeating myself. Don't you 'Christians' have a phrase, "casting your pearls before swine"?

The problem is I thought you were an honest smart fellow to start off with, and heretofore you have implied that all along and have yet to claim any kinship with swine. If you'd started out saying "Oh yeah I'm a lier just so ya know" then I'd quite likely have gone away long long ago.

I have better uses of my time than trying to explain extremely simply concepts to someone who simply refuses to understand them.

If they are so simple, then how come you won't answer the question I've proposed about Pluto? Either Pluto's gravitational angle and optical angle are displaced by about 102 degrees or not! I've already clearly defined that it's for an observer on earth and everything else for the question to be unambiguous.

Since you have stated that gravity direction and light direction are two different things which is all you were disagreeing with me about in the first place,

Wrong! We were not just disagreeing with you about in the first place -- we were disagreeing about whether or not the sun's gravity pull angle was 2.1 degrees ahead of its optical angle due to the fact that the earth turns 2.1 degrees in 1AU's light time travel.

I don't see the point in trying to explain anything further to you. You were obviously wrong as you now admit and I was right.

I was not obviously wrong - if so show me at least a single thing I said that was wrong! And I do not admit to any such thing. It's easy to say to someone "Oh you're wrong" but it's completely meaningless if you can't show that they were indeed wrong!

Because you haven't been honest, from now on I will simply consider you target practice : )

Again, saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so! It doesn't even demonstrate it so! But if you found a single thing I said that was wrong, then by all means show it!

So why not just tell me whether Pluto will be displaced 102 degrees or not! By the way, hypothetical question - are you big enough to admit it if you find out that you had been wrong?

Thanks,

-Jesse