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The suns actual position and gravitational position do line up. The apparent position doesn't though, it is off by 2.1 degrees like you indicated.

You didn't qualify that with any fluff about frames of reference - you simply state that the gravitational/actual position is 2.1 degrees ahead of its optical apparent position - I'm assuming at the same time without having to wait 8.3 minutes to measure.

So please tell tell me whether Pluto (as I described before) will have about 102 degrees of angular displacement between its actual+gravitational direction and its apparent optical position - at the same time - just like you did for the Sun! Please try to avoid this side-stepping of the question about Pluto which you so easily answered for the Sun!

You should write what you mean. If you didn't mean what you wrote that is OK we all make mistakes. Some of us are big enough to admit it though.

Are you big enough? (I hope so! You said it first.)

Thanks,

Some people seem to require public humiliation to learn.

Do You? (Again, you said it first. Last sentence on linked post)

-Jesse

You didn't qualify that with any fluff about frames of reference - you simply state that the gravitational/actual position is 2.1 degrees ahead of its optical apparent position - I'm assuming at the same time without having to wait 8.3 minutes to measure.

I am sorry that you didn't understand the frame of reference. I just assumed that the frame of reference was a given, our position on a spinning earth.

If you have an observer floating motionless in space, relative to the earth and sun, from his point of view the sun and earths apparent positions are absolutely identical to their actual positions.

If your observer is on the sun, the earths actual position and apparent position is only off by a very tiny amount (I am making the false assumption that the sun doesn't rotate, it does and at different rates).

All of the observers are making correct observations from their frames of reference (points of view), even though they have come to different and correct conclusions. Everything is Relative. Relative to what, you may ask? Their frame of reference.