Posted on 08/01/2008 10:34:24 AM PDT by OneVike
Few people might be aware of this: There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written. Here are some examples:
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Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White, and others have tried it recently. It's a great argument. “I predict people will scoff at my ideas” thus somehow demonstrating that any future criticism is false because it was prophesied.
I'm certainly not trying to change your beliefs. That's between you and God, as our mine.
An amazingly ironic statement to be made by a darwinist! You see it so clearly in others yet completely overlook it in yourself : ) Got a real chuckle on that one!
Are you willing to admit that creationists do the same thing?
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An amazingly ironic statement to be made by a darwinist! You see it so clearly in others yet completely overlook it in yourself : ) Got a real chuckle on that one!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Just in case you are not familiar with the details, here is how science works.
Science works under the assumption that the natural/physical world can be observed and understood using natural/physical means. This means, anything that can be observed is some way is a suitable field for study.
Science then proceeds to gather data and attempt to explain that data. Hypotheses and theories are the ways in which science attempts to explain that data.
The database can change through better measurements or through finding new data. Theories can change based on the new data. Indeed, when any significant amount of scientific data contradicts a theory it must change to accommodate that data.
Science does not know where all of these theories will end up. The data drive the theories.
Your suggestion that science starts with a preordained conclusion is absolutely false. Science relies on a method, which is based on an assumption. This is absolutely not a conclusion. If that assumption is correct everything will work. If that assumption is not correct things will not work and that assumption will have to be changed.
So far the assumption under which science works has not been shown to be incorrect. All creationists have to do to show it is incorrect is to produce scientific evidence of the supernatural.
What creationists typically want is for science to change how it works in order to conform to their particular religious beliefs, which are based on revelation and other such sources, and which are held by faith rather than by evidence. In fact, they would be overjoyed if science confirmed their beliefs.
So much so that some of them... But that's where we came in.
“If Hebrew did not have a word for sphere in those days, I bet it didn’t have a word for eon or millions of years either.The Hebrew words and context used in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11 only allows for 24 hour days.
The word “days” is probably the best word they could find for a period of time that took much longer. Or “day” could refer to one of God’s days for which we have no reference even today.”
“How about I freak you out : ) I am familiar with your n-sphere math. The reality is that matter is made of waves of nothing. Einsteins and QED's fields are nothing : ) and everything comes from that.”Not this garbage again!
Then define what an electromagnetic field is made of. That should be easy for you : ) Matter is made out of the frequency of the waves in that field.
I hope you will forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for your definition : )
I believe you
Fascinating insights; thanks!
“The reality is that matter is made of waves of nothing. Einsteins and QED's fields are nothing : ) and everything comes from that. ” [excerpt]
“Then define what an electromagnetic field is made of. That should be easy for you : ) Matter is made out of the frequency of the waves in that field. ” [excerpt]--LeGrande
LOL and this from someone who thinks that for a telescope to take a time lapse photograph it needs to compensate for sidereal motion : ) Have you done the simple experiment I asked you to? It neatly demonstrates the time difference in apparent position.
electromagnetic waves are entirely different, carrying (or composed of) both magnetic and electric fields and are not known to require any medium!
Correct, but there is a field. What is the field made of? I claim that the field is made of nothing, hence waves of nothing.
Electromagnetic waves are waves of electricity and magnetism. They can be detected by either magnetic sensors or electric potential sensors. They aren't waves of nothing. (I think it's some sort of hybrid crippled idea which assumes that Electromagnetic waves must also be carried by motions in a massy media just like sound waves.)
So please explain your hybrid crippled idea : ) This should be fun.
I think my crackpot science detector is lighting up like a Christmas tree on 220 volts! Maybe even 440!
Good! Skepticism is the beginning of wisdom : ) You might learn something, even if I have to drag you screaming and crying : )
I need you to do a little research on the electromagnetic spectrum, because I know that you won't believe anything that I tell you. In the upper frequency ranges 10 to the 18th oscillations per second and above, does the chart describe waves or particles?
In a little while (or maybe longer in your case) you are going to be thanking me for opening your eyes. But I can't take the credit, I have just decided to walk you through "The Feynman Lectures on Physics." Some people seem to require public humiliation to learn.
No, they've been disputed by fools too many times to count, but not refuted so much as once.
Yes, they were wise enough to read the Bible. Unfortunately, the Romans were not much on the bible.
God did most of the gathering, and most of the critters were newborns. The ark was huge too; Four stories, and over 450 feet long, and 75 feet wide.
The fossil record is perfectly devoid of transitional forms.
That is the dilemma that has given rise to foolishness such as punctuated equilibrium, or worse.
If you were much of a Bible reader, you would know that the first copy was written on stone by the finger of God.
"evolution starts with no premise except that there is no premise and builds a theory based on the evidence."
I'd laugh, but I'm too tired.
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