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To: LeGrande
Remember, your water source is a barrel on the outside edge of the MGR going round in circles, not you standing off to the side with a hose spraying it on the center of the MGR.

Funny, I in fact do not remember that! That's not the experiment I described.

Set up your buckets on the MGR so that the stream is hitting the center when it isn't moving. As you start rotating, the spray will go off center. Can you predict which direction the stream will go, before you do your experiment?

It looks like you want me to emulate the sun orbiting the earth rather then the earth spinning. Very telling! If you really believed that it didn't matter, you wouldn't feel the need to modify my experiment to more closely simulate the sun orbiting the earth!

However, you say that the spray will go off center - and you're wrong about that. The spray was aimed at the center, and each droplet is moving towards the center, and it'll hit the center. However, if the water jet is rotating around the center, then the path of the stream will curve and the angle at which the water hits the center will be lagged from the actual position of the stream.

I think I'll kindly do the experiment with the "sun" stationary and the "earth" rotating, thank you!

What difference does it make whether the sun rotates around the earth or the earth spins? The sun appears to revolve around the earth from our perspective. The apparent position of the sun is not the actual position of the sun. The sundial experiment holds true regardless of whether the earth is spinning or the Sun orbits the earth.

The difference it makes is that if the sun is orbiting, then the light will travel in a spiral, and will strike the earth at 2.1 degrees behind the the actual position of the sun. If the sun is not orbiting, then the light will travel in a straight path, and will strike the earth at the same angle as the sun is.

Your transit at the sun doesn't demonstrate anything at all except that the sun's angle changes with time.

Thanks,

-Jesse
545 posted on 07/09/2008 8:15:08 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: mrjesse
It looks like you want me to emulate the sun orbiting the earth rather then the earth spinning. Very telling! If you really believed that it didn't matter, you wouldn't feel the need to modify my experiment to more closely simulate the sun orbiting the earth!

The problem with your experiment is that for all practical purposes the center of the MGR is a fixed point. Shoot your water to the outside of the MGR and tell me what your results are.

Your transit at the sun doesn't demonstrate anything at all except that the sun's angle changes with time.

Which angle is the correct angle? At the instant you see the sun on the horizon or 8.3 minutes later?

546 posted on 07/09/2008 8:32:39 PM PDT by LeGrande
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