[LeGrande]

It looks like you want me to emulate the sun orbiting the earth rather then the earth spinning. Very telling! If you really believed that it didn't matter, you wouldn't feel the need to modify my experiment to more closely simulate the sun orbiting the earth!

The problem with your experiment is that for all practical purposes the center of the MGR is a fixed point. Shoot your water to the outside of the MGR and tell me what your results are.

Your transit at the sun doesn't demonstrate anything at all except that the sun's angle changes with time.

Which angle is the correct angle? At the instant you see the sun on the horizon or 8.3 minutes later?

[mrjesse]

The problem with your experiment is that for all practical purposes the center of the MGR is a fixed point. Shoot your water to the outside of the MGR and tell me what your results are.

I'm telling you that even if I shoot the water onto the outside of the merry go around, it'll hit a point on the merry go around that is exactly inline between the water jet and the center of the merry go around. In other words, the angle of impact will (other then stellar aberration) be exactly from the direction of the water jet.

Which angle is the correct angle? At the instant you see the sun on the horizon or 8.3 minutes later?

I had to stop and think about that one. I hold that the sun is not rising above the horizon but rather the horizon is falling from beneath the path of the sun's light. The receding edge of the far mountain range will appear to lag, but when suns light does reach you, it will be coming from the exact direction of the suns current position. Imagine,if you will, that the sun was always just above the horizon for you, all day long and there was no night and the earth didn't spin: If someone built a tall tower and put up a large shutter to block the sun from you, then removed the shutter, there would be a delay when the light started reaching you again, but the light would still be coming from the same direction as always.

By the way, I still want to know if you're attributing the 2.1 degrees of apparent position lag of the sun to Time Light Correction or Stellar Aberration.

Thanks,

-Jesse