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ECO's not the one confused here, by the way. I'm feeling fine too, in that regards. In the end, are you going to tell me something along the lines of "Oh, yeah, I know I was wrong. I was lying to you the whole time as a favor to you. I knew you wouldn't go look stuff up unless I challenged you and so I figured lying to you was the best way to do that. Now you're smarter." ??? I just can't figure out how somebody could be so wrong, with so much free information available, and not realize that they were wrong. But I digress.

I just want to be clear, when you look up into the night sky and aim a telescope at Saturn, do you really believe that Saturn is exactly where you are pointing the telescope?

By the way - how about the Laser Ring Gyro? Wouldn't that definitely determine who was spinning and as a result who was orbiting?

The Gyro, LRG and pendulum are essentially the same thing and if you add them in you are adding in a third body and unnecessarily complicating the model. Generally, the best way to understand something is to keep it as simple as possible.

I just want to be clear, when you look up into the night sky and aim a telescope at Saturn, do you really believe that Saturn is exactly where you are pointing the telescope?

That's an ambiguous question because you don't describe whether you're talking about time-light-correction or which type off aberration. But all along I've said that if the sun were orbiting the earth at 2.13 degrees per 8.5 minutes, that there would be a 2.13 degree lag in the optical appearance of the sun. So since Saturn is moving, due to orbiting the sun, then light from Saturn will have the light-time-correction apparent angular displacement. But we're talking about the SUN here which is NOT orbiting the earth! And we're talking about 2.1 degrees of displacement, which is NOT light-time-correction. (light-time correction is very small and nowheres near 2.1 degrees and is unrelated to the distance from sun to earth.) You're just trying to change the topic here!

The Gyro, LRG and pendulum are essentially the same thing

Okay I had to laugh about that one. Have you ever seen either a pendulum or a LRG? Essentially the same thing? Well, yeah, I guess if you take a 747 jet plane and a bicycle to be the same thing. They move you from one place to the other. While you're moving you're not standing on the ground, and when you're standing on the ground, you're not moving. Essentially the same thing. I always knew it.

But seriously, a pendulum and a LRG are so different, even though they may be able to detect the same thing. A pendulum uses a moving mass, and measures physical deflection from its ordinary path, and the speed of the swing is irrelevant. A LRG on the other hand, has no moving parts, does not use the mass of anything but rather the speed of light and the interference thereof. I don't know how you can call a LRG with no moving parts a third body when its buried 10 feet deep. I think what you really wanted to say is "Without any instrument or means by which one can measure the rate of rotation, they are unable to measure the rate of rotation." But just because you deprive us from using any instruments which can measure rotation doesn't mean it isn't there!

and if you add them in you are adding in a third body and unnecessarily complicating the model. Generally, the best way to understand something is to keep it as simple as possible.

Yeah right, then why do you keep talking about all these other planets which are more complicated because they are orbiting the sun! I say lets keep it simple, and discuss the sun and your alledged 2.1 degrees of lag between the angle of light as it hits the earth and angle of the gravity from the sun.

Thanks,

-Jesse